Comments on: Open Space on the Waterfront http://hugeasscity.com/2008/11/21/open-space-on-the-waterfront/ > so much wonderful packaged in such a mess Fri, 18 May 2012 04:54:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: juarainternet http://hugeasscity.com/2008/11/21/open-space-on-the-waterfront/comment-page-1/#comment-7636 juarainternet Tue, 08 Sep 2009 21:30:04 +0000 http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2008/11/21/open-space-on-the-waterfront/#comment-7636 Nice and goo information. Learn more about Aquarium Chiller at http://aquarium-chiller.blogspot.com Nice and goo information.

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]]> By: cjh http://hugeasscity.com/2008/11/21/open-space-on-the-waterfront/comment-page-1/#comment-2071 cjh Sun, 07 Dec 2008 21:25:26 +0000 http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2008/11/21/open-space-on-the-waterfront/#comment-2071 Uh, any beaches along the waterfront would have to be artificial (due to the seawall) or would, at best, end up looking like the beach at Elliot Bay/Myrtle Edwards. Also, it's not like Vancouver has public beaches in the heart of its downtown (Burrard Inlet) waterfront! Uh, any beaches along the waterfront would have to be artificial (due to the seawall) or would, at best, end up looking like the beach at Elliot Bay/Myrtle Edwards.

Also, it’s not like Vancouver has public beaches in the heart of its downtown (Burrard Inlet) waterfront!

]]> By: Kelsey http://hugeasscity.com/2008/11/21/open-space-on-the-waterfront/comment-page-1/#comment-2069 Kelsey Sat, 06 Dec 2008 05:27:16 +0000 http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2008/11/21/open-space-on-the-waterfront/#comment-2069 I would love to see downtown beaches, I don't really think its feasible but if Vancouver can pull it off, why can't we? I would love to see downtown beaches, I don’t really think its feasible but if Vancouver can pull it off, why can’t we?

]]> By: Mistamatic http://hugeasscity.com/2008/11/21/open-space-on-the-waterfront/comment-page-1/#comment-2074 Mistamatic Thu, 27 Nov 2008 01:06:23 +0000 http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2008/11/21/open-space-on-the-waterfront/#comment-2074 I hope as this process heats up that Seattle looks toward Vancouver's fabulous Stanley Park waterfront area as a model...trees, plants, green spaces with plenty of pedestrian space and streets. I can't imagine these two examples of concrete and pavers in a downpour without something to help absorb the road runoff! I hope as this process heats up that Seattle looks toward Vancouver’s fabulous Stanley Park waterfront area as a model…trees, plants, green spaces with plenty of pedestrian space and streets. I can’t imagine these two examples of concrete and pavers in a downpour without something to help absorb the road runoff!

]]> By: Dan Staley http://hugeasscity.com/2008/11/21/open-space-on-the-waterfront/comment-page-1/#comment-2065 Dan Staley Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:20:00 +0000 http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2008/11/21/open-space-on-the-waterfront/#comment-2065 <i>Dan S: large trees and abundant seating? Great, how do you protect them from mayors like Nickels (cf Occidental and Freeway parks)? </i> He won't have a choice here soon. NPDES/TMDL fed rules will almost necessitate increasing tree canopy cover to comply with these rules, in addition to lowering peak flows after rain events to lessen scouring and lessening sheet flows of warm water into receiving waters with salmon runs. Dan S: large trees and abundant seating? Great, how do you protect them from mayors like Nickels (cf Occidental and Freeway parks)?

He won’t have a choice here soon.

NPDES/TMDL fed rules will almost necessitate increasing tree canopy cover to comply with these rules, in addition to lowering peak flows after rain events to lessen scouring and lessening sheet flows of warm water into receiving waters with salmon runs.

]]> By: leero http://hugeasscity.com/2008/11/21/open-space-on-the-waterfront/comment-page-1/#comment-2064 leero Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:51:41 +0000 http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2008/11/21/open-space-on-the-waterfront/#comment-2064 It seems like scenario C offers a lot of possibility for lightweight (or mobile) structures to help activate the space. Maybe little nodes of shops or restaurants? A bike station or two? A transit museum that straddles the streetcar track? Any structure like this also offers edges for landscaping for those bioswales. And there'd still be plenty of space for hot dog vendors. It seems like scenario C offers a lot of possibility for lightweight (or mobile) structures to help activate the space. Maybe little nodes of shops or restaurants? A bike station or two? A transit museum that straddles the streetcar track? Any structure like this also offers edges for landscaping for those bioswales.

And there’d still be plenty of space for hot dog vendors.

]]> By: joshuadf http://hugeasscity.com/2008/11/21/open-space-on-the-waterfront/comment-page-1/#comment-2073 joshuadf Mon, 24 Nov 2008 00:41:23 +0000 http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2008/11/21/open-space-on-the-waterfront/#comment-2073 I'm uninformed: is there any chance of more pier buildings? That would help with the "too much open space" problem and provide relief from my other least favorite part of the waterfront: wind. I’m uninformed: is there any chance of more pier buildings? That would help with the “too much open space” problem and provide relief from my other least favorite part of the waterfront: wind.

]]> By: dan cortland http://hugeasscity.com/2008/11/21/open-space-on-the-waterfront/comment-page-1/#comment-2072 dan cortland Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:14:53 +0000 http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2008/11/21/open-space-on-the-waterfront/#comment-2072 AJ wrote: "Remember the notion that SLU would become Seattle’s Pearl District? Well, uh, can we flip the script on that and do it on the waterfront?" What's the attraction of the Pearl? Dan S: large trees and abundant seating? Great, how do you protect them from mayors like Nickels (cf Occidental and Freeway parks)? AJ wrote: “Remember the notion that SLU would become Seattle’s Pearl District? Well, uh, can we flip the script on that and do it on the waterfront?”

What’s the attraction of the Pearl?

Dan S: large trees and abundant seating? Great, how do you protect them from mayors like Nickels (cf Occidental and Freeway parks)?

]]> By: Dan Staley http://hugeasscity.com/2008/11/21/open-space-on-the-waterfront/comment-page-1/#comment-2066 Dan Staley Sat, 22 Nov 2008 14:31:22 +0000 http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2008/11/21/open-space-on-the-waterfront/#comment-2066 You'll get more enclosure when the trees get larger, lessening the sense of the dreaded "open space". And surely, per Adam P, there will end up being more seating. Bottom line is: these renderings do little to illustrate the potential of the site. They won't stand as drawn and require revision to receive community buy-in. "Swales" under the pavers can be done with Silva Cells and structural soil, but that's a huge cost, and does little to ameliorate the urban heat island and sheet flow off the impervious. And the visual amenity. Far better for surface plantings (sez the landscaper and urban ecology-oriented green infrastructure guy). You’ll get more enclosure when the trees get larger, lessening the sense of the dreaded “open space”. And surely, per Adam P, there will end up being more seating.

Bottom line is: these renderings do little to illustrate the potential of the site. They won’t stand as drawn and require revision to receive community buy-in.

“Swales” under the pavers can be done with Silva Cells and structural soil, but that’s a huge cost, and does little to ameliorate the urban heat island and sheet flow off the impervious. And the visual amenity. Far better for surface plantings (sez the landscaper and urban ecology-oriented green infrastructure guy).

]]> By: Adam P http://hugeasscity.com/2008/11/21/open-space-on-the-waterfront/comment-page-1/#comment-2056 Adam P Sat, 22 Nov 2008 03:44:54 +0000 http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2008/11/21/open-space-on-the-waterfront/#comment-2056 This reminds me of William H Whyte movie on "The Social Life of Small Urban Spaces." You can see a short clip of it here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2GfOhFZkY8 He points out a lot of really amazing things that caused me to re-evaluate a lot of what I think about in parks. He has such dry wit too. I love it in the movie where they conclude that the biggest corollary to sitting is seats. Duh... but think about it next time you walk through a plaza that is devoid of life. I bet you it doesn't have seats. This reminds me of William H Whyte movie on “The Social Life of Small Urban Spaces.” You can see a short clip of it here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2GfOhFZkY8

He points out a lot of really amazing things that caused me to re-evaluate a lot of what I think about in parks. He has such dry wit too.

I love it in the movie where they conclude that the biggest corollary to sitting is seats. Duh… but think about it next time you walk through a plaza that is devoid of life. I bet you it doesn’t have seats.

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