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	<title>Comments on: The Coal Mine Canaries Have Been Dropping Off Their Perches For Months Now</title>
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		<title>By: John of Humdinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>John of Humdinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 03:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s get a little more specific.
What type of law do you folks propose to stop the sheeple from buying too many sofas this year and/or too few sofas next year?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s get a little more specific.<br />
What type of law do you folks propose to stop the sheeple from buying too many sofas this year and/or too few sofas next year?</p>
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		<title>By: GW</title>
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		<dc:creator>GW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not laissez faire or deregulation that causes the swings (those things tend to reduce volatility and risk, not increase them).

It&#039;s credit and banking policy: maturity transformation in particular.  You could call this entire economic calamity &quot;Von Mises&#039; Revenge.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not laissez faire or deregulation that causes the swings (those things tend to reduce volatility and risk, not increase them).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s credit and banking policy: maturity transformation in particular.  You could call this entire economic calamity &#8220;Von Mises&#8217; Revenge.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Staley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Staley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Its not capitalism per se that caused the exaggerated boom/bust cycles that we are experiencing. Rather, IMHO, terrible government policies were as much if not more responsible for the misallocation of resources into the housing sector that should have been directed to productive endeavors like business growth and job creation, and the current set of policy choices that may unhinge our economic foundation looking ahead. &lt;/i&gt;

Where have I read this &quot;Free&quot; Market screed before...hmmm....sounds like a templated talking point...

Capitalism and cheap energy has driven high-paying jobs offshore. Bubble creation is a function of unregulated markets, thus the long, long history of countries adopting laws to prevent them. The new administration is making a lot of noise about creating green jobs - with federal stimulus. This is, historically, how things work.

Deregulation - viz. Enron, Global Crossing, etc - has generally bad outcomes. We see the cost savings of regulation when we examine the positive public health outcomes of the Clean Air Act, for example.

Sure th&#039; gummint can misallocate. No one is saying they can&#039;t. But deregulation pushes capital upward, as the expense of the bottom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Its not capitalism per se that caused the exaggerated boom/bust cycles that we are experiencing. Rather, IMHO, terrible government policies were as much if not more responsible for the misallocation of resources into the housing sector that should have been directed to productive endeavors like business growth and job creation, and the current set of policy choices that may unhinge our economic foundation looking ahead. </i></p>
<p>Where have I read this &#8220;Free&#8221; Market screed before&#8230;hmmm&#8230;.sounds like a templated talking point&#8230;</p>
<p>Capitalism and cheap energy has driven high-paying jobs offshore. Bubble creation is a function of unregulated markets, thus the long, long history of countries adopting laws to prevent them. The new administration is making a lot of noise about creating green jobs &#8211; with federal stimulus. This is, historically, how things work.</p>
<p>Deregulation &#8211; viz. Enron, Global Crossing, etc &#8211; has generally bad outcomes. We see the cost savings of regulation when we examine the positive public health outcomes of the Clean Air Act, for example.</p>
<p>Sure th&#8217; gummint can misallocate. No one is saying they can&#8217;t. But deregulation pushes capital upward, as the expense of the bottom.</p>
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		<title>By: BrianK</title>
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		<dc:creator>BrianK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to invite all those who think human systems can self-regulate to try driving on a &quot;deregulated&quot; freeway. Or have their children ingest &quot;deregulated&quot; medication imported from China. If their logic is solid, they have nothing to worry about - the power of the all-knowing &quot;market&quot; always sorts everything out for the best!

Meanwhile, according to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.portfolio.com/news-markets/national-news/portfolio/2008/11/11/The-End-of-Wall-Streets-Boom&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; a recent 9-page Portfolio.com expose on the calamity we all refer to as Wall Street&lt;/a&gt;, things like this were happening in our glorious &quot;free&quot; market:

&quot;In Bakersfield, California, a Mexican strawberry picker with an income of $14,000 and no English was lent every penny he needed to buy a house for $720,000.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to invite all those who think human systems can self-regulate to try driving on a &#8220;deregulated&#8221; freeway. Or have their children ingest &#8220;deregulated&#8221; medication imported from China. If their logic is solid, they have nothing to worry about &#8211; the power of the all-knowing &#8220;market&#8221; always sorts everything out for the best!</p>
<p>Meanwhile, according to <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/news-markets/national-news/portfolio/2008/11/11/The-End-of-Wall-Streets-Boom" rel="nofollow"> a recent 9-page Portfolio.com expose on the calamity we all refer to as Wall Street</a>, things like this were happening in our glorious &#8220;free&#8221; market:</p>
<p>&#8220;In Bakersfield, California, a Mexican strawberry picker with an income of $14,000 and no English was lent every penny he needed to buy a house for $720,000.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its not capitalism per se that caused the exaggerated boom/bust cycles that we are experiencing. Rather, IMHO,  terrible government policies were as much if not more responsible for the misallocation of resources into the housing sector that should have been directed to productive endeavors like business growth and job creation, and the current set of policy choices that may unhinge our economic foundation looking ahead.

Terrible decision #1: Fed keeps interest rates too low, too long, in an effort to inflate an asset bubble that would replace the dot-com bubble

#2: Graham Leach Bliley breaks down the &quot;Chinese Wall&quot; between investment banking and retail banking, allowing additional leverage into the banking system and creating the system by which &quot;financial engineering&quot; could create the toxic mortgage securities we are dealing with now

#3: Government refuses to regulate CDS, or even creating a transparent marketplace for CDS, which places companies in the positions of being counter-parties to so many swaps that they are &quot;too big to fail&quot; - AIG.

#4: Fannie and Freddie are able to gear up to 40-1 leverage, becoming de factor hedge funds, all  in the name of housing &quot;affordability&quot;. They are supported by an &quot;affordable housing&quot; constituency of do gooders who  have apparently never taken economics class (and some crooks)

#5: Gov&#039;t responds with absurd, inconsistent policies like TARP, an alphabet soups of Fed lending programs, and nationalization of key industries intended to support the financial system but come at the cost of trillions ($7.7 at last count all told including guarantees) that will hamstring our recovery with additonal debt, especially as borrowing costs will eventually be forced to rise.

#6 Now, having cut rates as far as possible and spent almost all of the TARP authorized to date, deflation is still banging on the door and Bernanke now is wants to have the Fed by long-date treasuries to aid borrowing (eg reinflate the bubble), but which will, eventually, trash the currency, as the Treasury sells bonds, to raise money to lend to the Fed to buy bonds. Hugely inflationary once this long, painful bout of recession ends.

Basically the taxpayers and savers are being robbed blind by crony capitalism to the benefit of a few elite monied interests - which is just as much a failure of governance as it is a failure of capitalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its not capitalism per se that caused the exaggerated boom/bust cycles that we are experiencing. Rather, IMHO,  terrible government policies were as much if not more responsible for the misallocation of resources into the housing sector that should have been directed to productive endeavors like business growth and job creation, and the current set of policy choices that may unhinge our economic foundation looking ahead.</p>
<p>Terrible decision #1: Fed keeps interest rates too low, too long, in an effort to inflate an asset bubble that would replace the dot-com bubble</p>
<p>#2: Graham Leach Bliley breaks down the &#8220;Chinese Wall&#8221; between investment banking and retail banking, allowing additional leverage into the banking system and creating the system by which &#8220;financial engineering&#8221; could create the toxic mortgage securities we are dealing with now</p>
<p>#3: Government refuses to regulate CDS, or even creating a transparent marketplace for CDS, which places companies in the positions of being counter-parties to so many swaps that they are &#8220;too big to fail&#8221; &#8211; AIG.</p>
<p>#4: Fannie and Freddie are able to gear up to 40-1 leverage, becoming de factor hedge funds, all  in the name of housing &#8220;affordability&#8221;. They are supported by an &#8220;affordable housing&#8221; constituency of do gooders who  have apparently never taken economics class (and some crooks)</p>
<p>#5: Gov&#8217;t responds with absurd, inconsistent policies like TARP, an alphabet soups of Fed lending programs, and nationalization of key industries intended to support the financial system but come at the cost of trillions ($7.7 at last count all told including guarantees) that will hamstring our recovery with additonal debt, especially as borrowing costs will eventually be forced to rise.</p>
<p>#6 Now, having cut rates as far as possible and spent almost all of the TARP authorized to date, deflation is still banging on the door and Bernanke now is wants to have the Fed by long-date treasuries to aid borrowing (eg reinflate the bubble), but which will, eventually, trash the currency, as the Treasury sells bonds, to raise money to lend to the Fed to buy bonds. Hugely inflationary once this long, painful bout of recession ends.</p>
<p>Basically the taxpayers and savers are being robbed blind by crony capitalism to the benefit of a few elite monied interests &#8211; which is just as much a failure of governance as it is a failure of capitalism.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While we&#039;re at it, I would also like to know how we can control the vicious cycles of personal relationships, the weather, The Office episodes, etc. These up and down cycles are strenuous on me personally - I&#039;m either overly happy or overly depressed - and I&#039;d like someone else to please offer some regulatory measures that will help me maintain a steady frame of mind. Anyone?

Oh, wait - I sound like a libertarian. Scratch what I said above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While we&#8217;re at it, I would also like to know how we can control the vicious cycles of personal relationships, the weather, The Office episodes, etc. These up and down cycles are strenuous on me personally &#8211; I&#8217;m either overly happy or overly depressed &#8211; and I&#8217;d like someone else to please offer some regulatory measures that will help me maintain a steady frame of mind. Anyone?</p>
<p>Oh, wait &#8211; I sound like a libertarian. Scratch what I said above.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt the Engineer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt the Engineer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not often in the position of defending capitalism, but what is the alternative to this swing?  Paying people to continue to design buildings even though there is no money to build buildings?  Pay them to sit on their hands?  Or do we also pay to build buildings we don&#039;t need?

I&#039;m a fan of safety nets (unemployment insurance, universal health care, cheap/free schooling etc.) and am generally supportive of unions.  But I believe the only thing wrong with our capitalism is that we let the capitalists write their own rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not often in the position of defending capitalism, but what is the alternative to this swing?  Paying people to continue to design buildings even though there is no money to build buildings?  Pay them to sit on their hands?  Or do we also pay to build buildings we don&#8217;t need?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a fan of safety nets (unemployment insurance, universal health care, cheap/free schooling etc.) and am generally supportive of unions.  But I believe the only thing wrong with our capitalism is that we let the capitalists write their own rules.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>going from the abstract to the specific:  any update on Meuller&#039;s developments (on 23rd/union and at former Deano&#039;s building, and the twilight exit?)

If none of those buildings come to be, I&#039;m going to be seriously bummed.  Even if just one of the three sights are developed, I&#039;ll be happy at this point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>going from the abstract to the specific:  any update on Meuller&#8217;s developments (on 23rd/union and at former Deano&#8217;s building, and the twilight exit?)</p>
<p>If none of those buildings come to be, I&#8217;m going to be seriously bummed.  Even if just one of the three sights are developed, I&#8217;ll be happy at this point.</p>
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		<title>By: S. Teacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>S. Teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 16:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See this week&#039;s New Yorker magazine (www.newyorker.com) for a piece called &quot;The Pits&quot; about the abandoned construction sites around that city.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See this week&#8217;s New Yorker magazine (www.newyorker.com) for a piece called &#8220;The Pits&#8221; about the abandoned construction sites around that city.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Staley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Staley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;How can we do better job of controlling the vicious cycles of capitalism? Is there any answer other than tighter regulation?  &lt;/i&gt;

According to all historical evidence and most ways of knowing,

no.

But surely some will call me a &#039;socialist&#039; fer sayin&#039; this. Thus the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>How can we do better job of controlling the vicious cycles of capitalism? Is there any answer other than tighter regulation?  </i></p>
<p>According to all historical evidence and most ways of knowing,</p>
<p>no.</p>
<p>But surely some will call me a &#8217;socialist&#8217; fer sayin&#8217; this. Thus the problem.</p>
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