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	<title>Comments on: Close The Schools, Dig The Tunnel Redux</title>
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	<description>&#62; so much wonderful packaged in such a mess</description>
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		<title>By: The Deep-Bore Tunnel Is A Done Deal (Just Like The Monorail Was) &#124; hugeasscity</title>
		<link>http://hugeasscity.com/2009/01/30/close-the-schools-dig-the-tunnel-redux/comment-page-1/#comment-2554</link>
		<dc:creator>The Deep-Bore Tunnel Is A Done Deal (Just Like The Monorail Was) &#124; hugeasscity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 15:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the record, here&#8217;s why whiners like me and McGinn won&#8217;t shut up, and aren&#8217;t ready to concede that the tunnel is a done [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the record, here&#8217;s why whiners like me and McGinn won&#8217;t shut up, and aren&#8217;t ready to concede that the tunnel is a done [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Matt the Engineer</title>
		<link>http://hugeasscity.com/2009/01/30/close-the-schools-dig-the-tunnel-redux/comment-page-1/#comment-2549</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt the Engineer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 15:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[GW], &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kuow.org/program.php?id=16897&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Malcom Gladwell&lt;/a&gt; has a few ideas about what&#039;s wrong with our schools.  The podcast is worth a listen.

How would I fix our schools?  I&#039;d start by listening to [serial], then I&#039;d end summer school (gasp), I&#039;d give children actual textbooks, and I&#039;d work on changing attitudes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[GW], <a href="http://www.kuow.org/program.php?id=16897" rel="nofollow">Malcom Gladwell</a> has a few ideas about what&#8217;s wrong with our schools.  The podcast is worth a listen.</p>
<p>How would I fix our schools?  I&#8217;d start by listening to [serial], then I&#8217;d end summer school (gasp), I&#8217;d give children actual textbooks, and I&#8217;d work on changing attitudes.</p>
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		<title>By: GW</title>
		<link>http://hugeasscity.com/2009/01/30/close-the-schools-dig-the-tunnel-redux/comment-page-1/#comment-2541</link>
		<dc:creator>GW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 17:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan,

I&#039;m still trying to get a hard number on that private school pullout rate for you, but the original source is keeping mum so far.  However, simply from my own anecdotal experience, I can reasonably predict that public school enrollment in Seattle is going to start increasing soon.

The reason why Seattle has had such a high private school enrollment is not at all mysterious.  It&#039;s because the Seattle public schools mostly suck, seeming to be systemically incapable of performing their core mission, and most people who have the choice flee from the public system as they can.

It&#039;s not a funding issue either.  The public school system in Seattle is roughly at parity with private schools for funding levels per student.  The problem runs far deeper than just money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still trying to get a hard number on that private school pullout rate for you, but the original source is keeping mum so far.  However, simply from my own anecdotal experience, I can reasonably predict that public school enrollment in Seattle is going to start increasing soon.</p>
<p>The reason why Seattle has had such a high private school enrollment is not at all mysterious.  It&#8217;s because the Seattle public schools mostly suck, seeming to be systemically incapable of performing their core mission, and most people who have the choice flee from the public system as they can.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a funding issue either.  The public school system in Seattle is roughly at parity with private schools for funding levels per student.  The problem runs far deeper than just money.</p>
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		<title>By: dan cortland</title>
		<link>http://hugeasscity.com/2009/01/30/close-the-schools-dig-the-tunnel-redux/comment-page-1/#comment-2548</link>
		<dc:creator>dan cortland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 06:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>serialc: did you hear Peter Newman&#039;s recent talk at City Hall? He mentioned some ways that Europeans are liberating their children physically and psychologically by getting them out of cars. You might check out his books if you haven&#039;t already. (google &quot;resilient cities&quot; to start.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>serialc: did you hear Peter Newman&#8217;s recent talk at City Hall? He mentioned some ways that Europeans are liberating their children physically and psychologically by getting them out of cars. You might check out his books if you haven&#8217;t already. (google &#8220;resilient cities&#8221; to start.)</p>
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		<title>By: joshuadf</title>
		<link>http://hugeasscity.com/2009/01/30/close-the-schools-dig-the-tunnel-redux/comment-page-1/#comment-2544</link>
		<dc:creator>joshuadf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 00:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find your idea very thought-provoking, but am I wrong in thinking that a &quot;campus&quot; describes a complete walkable neighborhood?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find your idea very thought-provoking, but am I wrong in thinking that a &#8220;campus&#8221; describes a complete walkable neighborhood?</p>
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		<title>By: Deb Eddy</title>
		<link>http://hugeasscity.com/2009/01/30/close-the-schools-dig-the-tunnel-redux/comment-page-1/#comment-2543</link>
		<dc:creator>Deb Eddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 23:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent point. But I&#039;m not at all sure that I&#039;m mentally ready for an avatar ... you are talking about the vZone virtual reality, I hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent point. But I&#8217;m not at all sure that I&#8217;m mentally ready for an avatar &#8230; you are talking about the vZone virtual reality, I hope.</p>
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		<title>By: serial catowner</title>
		<link>http://hugeasscity.com/2009/01/30/close-the-schools-dig-the-tunnel-redux/comment-page-1/#comment-2550</link>
		<dc:creator>serial catowner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 22:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why, thank you, Deb Eddy.  An even more sincere form of flattery would be if someone would dreamscape that vision.  For some reason, it strikes most everyone as just another impossible dream, but I think we have the technology....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why, thank you, Deb Eddy.  An even more sincere form of flattery would be if someone would dreamscape that vision.  For some reason, it strikes most everyone as just another impossible dream, but I think we have the technology&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Deb Eddy</title>
		<link>http://hugeasscity.com/2009/01/30/close-the-schools-dig-the-tunnel-redux/comment-page-1/#comment-2547</link>
		<dc:creator>Deb Eddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 23:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are people on this website that I&#039;d really like to meet.  SCO and RBC being two. Good posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are people on this website that I&#8217;d really like to meet.  SCO and RBC being two. Good posts.</p>
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		<title>By: serial catowner</title>
		<link>http://hugeasscity.com/2009/01/30/close-the-schools-dig-the-tunnel-redux/comment-page-1/#comment-2553</link>
		<dc:creator>serial catowner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 13:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My dad used to tell me that what Jack told him about Paul told him more about Jack than it did about Paul.  I&#039;d have to think this post falls into that category.

But I&#039;ll take this opportunity to toss this stone into the soup and you can watch it sink without a trace because it&#039;s some kind of new-fangled thinking:

Schools should be in integrated campuses that provide education for all ages and also include dining facilities for meal programs, libraries, clinics, transit stops, mini police stations, social welfare offices, public restrooms, parks, and low-income housing.

These campuses should be fairly busy for 18 hours a day and comfortable and safe 24 hours a day.  Instead of regarding schools as a sort of prison in which children are segregated from society, schools should be regarded as a core value to which we all return throughout our lives.

Naturally, you might hope to see some synergy here, with older people helping in the classrooms before dinner, transit serving riders of all ages, and younger people sampling vocational training, such as cooking or facility maintenance, while in high school.

Almost all of the activities listed are already funded, but geographically dispersed, increasing transportation costs, and located in older buildings that are not energy efficient.  And there&#039;s no time like the present!  The largest population cohort we&#039;ve ever known is beginning to retire and looking to trade that family lifestyle for some serious empty-nester living.

You may now resume your regularly scheduled tunnel hating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My dad used to tell me that what Jack told him about Paul told him more about Jack than it did about Paul.  I&#8217;d have to think this post falls into that category.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;ll take this opportunity to toss this stone into the soup and you can watch it sink without a trace because it&#8217;s some kind of new-fangled thinking:</p>
<p>Schools should be in integrated campuses that provide education for all ages and also include dining facilities for meal programs, libraries, clinics, transit stops, mini police stations, social welfare offices, public restrooms, parks, and low-income housing.</p>
<p>These campuses should be fairly busy for 18 hours a day and comfortable and safe 24 hours a day.  Instead of regarding schools as a sort of prison in which children are segregated from society, schools should be regarded as a core value to which we all return throughout our lives.</p>
<p>Naturally, you might hope to see some synergy here, with older people helping in the classrooms before dinner, transit serving riders of all ages, and younger people sampling vocational training, such as cooking or facility maintenance, while in high school.</p>
<p>Almost all of the activities listed are already funded, but geographically dispersed, increasing transportation costs, and located in older buildings that are not energy efficient.  And there&#8217;s no time like the present!  The largest population cohort we&#8217;ve ever known is beginning to retire and looking to trade that family lifestyle for some serious empty-nester living.</p>
<p>You may now resume your regularly scheduled tunnel hating.</p>
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		<title>By: joshuadf</title>
		<link>http://hugeasscity.com/2009/01/30/close-the-schools-dig-the-tunnel-redux/comment-page-1/#comment-2546</link>
		<dc:creator>joshuadf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 08:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DanB is correct, the numbers are at http://www.seattleschools.org/area/siso/enroll/enroll.xml for anyone to look at.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DanB is correct, the numbers are at <a href="http://www.seattleschools.org/area/siso/enroll/enroll.xml" rel="nofollow">http://www.seattleschools.org/area/siso/enroll/enroll.xml</a> for anyone to look at.</p>
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