Comments on: The Density Zealots, Gung-Ho Enviros, And Social Engineers Are Going To Force All Of You To Live In Buildings Like This, Forever!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://hugeasscity.com/2009/02/12/the-density-zealots-gung-ho-enviros-and-social-engineers-are-going-to-force-all-of-you-to-live-in-buildings-like-this-forever/ > so much wonderful packaged in such a mess Fri, 10 Feb 2012 14:54:55 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: “A Message Of Arrogance” | citytank http://hugeasscity.com/2009/02/12/the-density-zealots-gung-ho-enviros-and-social-engineers-are-going-to-force-all-of-you-to-live-in-buildings-like-this-forever/comment-page-1/#comment-627462 “A Message Of Arrogance” | citytank Sun, 19 Jun 2011 03:03:34 +0000 http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2009/02/12/the-density-zealots-gung-ho-enviros-and-social-engineers-are-going-to-force-all-of-you-to-live-in-buildings-like-this-forever/#comment-627462 [...] I’ve had some fun with Mr. Fox in the past (here, here, and here), so I guess it’s only fair that he finally hit me back with a real zinger. [...] [...] I’ve had some fun with Mr. Fox in the past (here, here, and here), so I guess it’s only fair that he finally hit me back with a real zinger. [...]

]]> By: Lessie Ulanski http://hugeasscity.com/2009/02/12/the-density-zealots-gung-ho-enviros-and-social-engineers-are-going-to-force-all-of-you-to-live-in-buildings-like-this-forever/comment-page-1/#comment-224703 Lessie Ulanski Thu, 13 May 2010 04:59:12 +0000 http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2009/02/12/the-density-zealots-gung-ho-enviros-and-social-engineers-are-going-to-force-all-of-you-to-live-in-buildings-like-this-forever/#comment-224703 I have been to your site a few times now, and this time I am adding it to my bookmarks :) Your posts are always relevant, unlike the same-old stuff on other sites (which are coming off my bookmarks!) Two thumbs up! I have been to your site a few times now, and this time I am adding it to my bookmarks :) Your posts are always relevant, unlike the same-old stuff on other sites (which are coming off my bookmarks!) Two thumbs up!

]]> By: Get My Ex Back http://hugeasscity.com/2009/02/12/the-density-zealots-gung-ho-enviros-and-social-engineers-are-going-to-force-all-of-you-to-live-in-buildings-like-this-forever/comment-page-1/#comment-91462 Get My Ex Back Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:33:20 +0000 http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2009/02/12/the-density-zealots-gung-ho-enviros-and-social-engineers-are-going-to-force-all-of-you-to-live-in-buildings-like-this-forever/#comment-91462 It really looks like a building model of ancient times. It really looks like a building model of ancient times.

]]> By: Yes Virginia, Density Causes Sprawl—Lorax Edition | hugeasscity http://hugeasscity.com/2009/02/12/the-density-zealots-gung-ho-enviros-and-social-engineers-are-going-to-force-all-of-you-to-live-in-buildings-like-this-forever/comment-page-1/#comment-80934 Yes Virginia, Density Causes Sprawl—Lorax Edition | hugeasscity Wed, 23 Dec 2009 19:24:14 +0000 http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2009/02/12/the-density-zealots-gung-ho-enviros-and-social-engineers-are-going-to-force-all-of-you-to-live-in-buildings-like-this-forever/#comment-80934 [...] somehow the myth persists that all those new, big, scary multifamily buildings filling up with people are actually driving people out of the city and [...] [...] somehow the myth persists that all those new, big, scary multifamily buildings filling up with people are actually driving people out of the city and [...]

]]> By: Sivalinga http://hugeasscity.com/2009/02/12/the-density-zealots-gung-ho-enviros-and-social-engineers-are-going-to-force-all-of-you-to-live-in-buildings-like-this-forever/comment-page-1/#comment-2659 Sivalinga Wed, 18 Feb 2009 01:43:08 +0000 http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2009/02/12/the-density-zealots-gung-ho-enviros-and-social-engineers-are-going-to-force-all-of-you-to-live-in-buildings-like-this-forever/#comment-2659 Check one: _ imminent domain _ immanent domain _ eminent domain _ Eminem's Domain _ none of the above _ LOL Check one:

_ imminent domain
_ immanent domain
_ eminent domain
_ Eminem’s Domain
_ none of the above
_ LOL

]]> By: dan bertolet http://hugeasscity.com/2009/02/12/the-density-zealots-gung-ho-enviros-and-social-engineers-are-going-to-force-all-of-you-to-live-in-buildings-like-this-forever/comment-page-1/#comment-2671 dan bertolet Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:42:07 +0000 http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2009/02/12/the-density-zealots-gung-ho-enviros-and-social-engineers-are-going-to-force-all-of-you-to-live-in-buildings-like-this-forever/#comment-2671 E.D. hawk @14, are your real initials "J.F." by any chance? E.D. hawk @14, are your real initials “J.F.” by any chance?

]]> By: joshuadf http://hugeasscity.com/2009/02/12/the-density-zealots-gung-ho-enviros-and-social-engineers-are-going-to-force-all-of-you-to-live-in-buildings-like-this-forever/comment-page-1/#comment-2656 joshuadf Tue, 17 Feb 2009 04:58:13 +0000 http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2009/02/12/the-density-zealots-gung-ho-enviros-and-social-engineers-are-going-to-force-all-of-you-to-live-in-buildings-like-this-forever/#comment-2656 Racism and classism are unfortunately real problems, but it is not as simple as you think. For example, in Roosevelt wealthy property owners <a href="http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002182455_weapons17m.html" rel="nofollow">Hugh and Drake Sisley hired a neo-Nazi as property manager</a>. I for one am thankful that the city is using the blighted property ordinances against thier slums. It has nothing to do with imminent domain or repossession, by the way; the Sisleys simply must repair or tear down the crack houses. It's one of those cases where you wish there was a reason for imminent domain, but I guess white supremists do have equal protection under the law. Racism and classism are unfortunately real problems, but it is not as simple as you think. For example, in Roosevelt wealthy property owners Hugh and Drake Sisley hired a neo-Nazi as property manager. I for one am thankful that the city is using the blighted property ordinances against thier slums. It has nothing to do with imminent domain or repossession, by the way; the Sisleys simply must repair or tear down the crack houses. It’s one of those cases where you wish there was a reason for imminent domain, but I guess white supremists do have equal protection under the law.

]]> By: lorax http://hugeasscity.com/2009/02/12/the-density-zealots-gung-ho-enviros-and-social-engineers-are-going-to-force-all-of-you-to-live-in-buildings-like-this-forever/comment-page-1/#comment-2657 lorax Mon, 16 Feb 2009 22:40:04 +0000 http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2009/02/12/the-density-zealots-gung-ho-enviros-and-social-engineers-are-going-to-force-all-of-you-to-live-in-buildings-like-this-forever/#comment-2657 E.D. hawk, that language isn't in HB 1490. It's existing statute that was passed in 1990. The way bills are writting in Washington state, the bill has to include the entire RCW that is being revised. E.D. hawk, that language isn’t in HB 1490. It’s existing statute that was passed in 1990. The way bills are writting in Washington state, the bill has to include the entire RCW that is being revised.

]]> By: Matt the Engineer http://hugeasscity.com/2009/02/12/the-density-zealots-gung-ho-enviros-and-social-engineers-are-going-to-force-all-of-you-to-live-in-buildings-like-this-forever/comment-page-1/#comment-2664 Matt the Engineer Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:50:08 +0000 http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2009/02/12/the-density-zealots-gung-ho-enviros-and-social-engineers-are-going-to-force-all-of-you-to-live-in-buildings-like-this-forever/#comment-2664 Your imminent domain claim is not at all well founded. This bill does not tear out privately held properties, using big shiny red state-owned bulldozers. It will simply result in an upzone. As properties are redeveloped over time (decades, or longer), those that build on that land are simply under fewer restrictions - they will be allowed to build taller, more dense buildings if the market allows. Your imminent domain claim is not at all well founded. This bill does not tear out privately held properties, using big shiny red state-owned bulldozers. It will simply result in an upzone. As properties are redeveloped over time (decades, or longer), those that build on that land are simply under fewer restrictions – they will be allowed to build taller, more dense buildings if the market allows.

]]> By: E.D. hawk http://hugeasscity.com/2009/02/12/the-density-zealots-gung-ho-enviros-and-social-engineers-are-going-to-force-all-of-you-to-live-in-buildings-like-this-forever/comment-page-1/#comment-2660 E.D. hawk Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:02:48 +0000 http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2009/02/12/the-density-zealots-gung-ho-enviros-and-social-engineers-are-going-to-force-all-of-you-to-live-in-buildings-like-this-forever/#comment-2660 From the Futurewise bill (HB 1490 / SB 5687), section 1, subsection 6 reads: "Property rights. Private property shall not be taken for 20 public use without just compensation having been made." That is the definition of "eminent domain" (without using those two scary words). The key feature of the Futurewise bill is the state mandate to impose a 1/2 mile TOD 'zone' around all station areas. It's the zone that is the trigger to eminent domain. The Futurewise bill cannot succeed in Seattle without eminent domain because the station areas are fully developed and privately owned. No denser development is possible unless you take property, displace existing residents and businesses, and build new, denser developments. Across the nation, governments and large business interests are entering into joint-ventures nationwide to take advantage of 'opportunities' for redevelopment, particularly in inner cities. That's called reverse red-lining. The problem is, the local folk have to be displaced for these large development projects. That requires social engineering. Mayor Nickels already attempted to impose Community Renewal (nicknamed "Negro Removal" in the 1970's). Nickels quietly ordered a "Blight Study" in March 2006 in preparation to condemn private property so he could transfer private property to private developers. Never mind that Rainier Vista and New Holly (Columbia Station & Othello Station) are on track to exceed the 2024 Growth Management density goals by 2010. Never mind that density around southeast light rail stations is already at 61 units per acre (on some 1/2 acre sites). These facts are unimportant to Futurewise. The goal isn't really density. The real goal is access to and control over private property. The Futurewise bill seeks to shift local control to the state. This trend in government is the opposite of democracy but most resembles an oligarchy. This isn't how we like our government to operate. Rule by a powerful elite (Oligarchs) won't happen overnight but by the slow erosion of our rights. Wake up and smell the eminent domain! From the Futurewise bill (HB 1490 / SB 5687), section 1, subsection 6 reads: “Property rights. Private property shall not be taken for
20 public use without just compensation having been made.” That is the definition of “eminent domain” (without using those two scary words).

The key feature of the Futurewise bill is the state mandate to impose a 1/2 mile TOD ‘zone’ around all station areas. It’s the zone that is the trigger to eminent domain.

The Futurewise bill cannot succeed in Seattle without eminent domain because the station areas are fully developed and privately owned. No denser development is possible unless you take property, displace existing residents and businesses, and build new, denser developments.

Across the nation, governments and large business interests are entering into joint-ventures nationwide to take advantage of ‘opportunities’ for redevelopment, particularly in inner cities. That’s called reverse red-lining. The problem is, the local folk have to be displaced for these large development projects. That requires social engineering.

Mayor Nickels already attempted to impose Community Renewal (nicknamed “Negro Removal” in the 1970’s). Nickels quietly ordered a “Blight Study” in March 2006 in preparation to condemn private property so he could transfer private property to private developers.

Never mind that Rainier Vista and New Holly (Columbia Station & Othello Station) are on track to exceed the 2024 Growth Management density goals by 2010. Never mind that density around southeast light rail stations is already at 61 units per acre (on some 1/2 acre sites). These facts are unimportant to Futurewise. The goal isn’t really density. The real goal is access to and control over private property.

The Futurewise bill seeks to shift local control to the state. This trend in government is the opposite of democracy but most resembles an oligarchy. This isn’t how we like our government to operate. Rule by a powerful elite (Oligarchs) won’t happen overnight but by the slow erosion of our rights. Wake up and smell the eminent domain!

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