Comments on: Sucking Wind In Olympia http://hugeasscity.com/2009/03/10/sucking-sounds-in-olympia/ > so much wonderful packaged in such a mess Mon, 15 Mar 2010 20:25:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Bill B http://hugeasscity.com/2009/03/10/sucking-sounds-in-olympia/comment-page-1/#comment-2915 Bill B Fri, 13 Mar 2009 23:35:42 +0000 http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2009/03/10/sucking-sounds-in-olympia/#comment-2915 @18, Dan Actually many of us are in support of TOD, no sprawl, affordable housing, etc. But its not "all in my hands". Its in "our" hands to support legislation that will achieve the common objectives THAT WE ALL HAVE. Remember there were a lot of forces bigger than us that could have- and may have - stopped the bill. It was not a few neighborhood people. I have talked with Sara about a post-mortem summit between all of the "factions" to reassert this common ground - and assess the most effective way to move forward together. And as a way to prevent a lot of finger pointing and name calling. She is interested. Hopefully you can join us. @18, Dan

Actually many of us are in support of TOD, no sprawl, affordable housing, etc. But its not “all in my hands”. Its in “our” hands to support legislation that will achieve the common objectives THAT WE ALL HAVE. Remember there were a lot of forces bigger than us that could have- and may have – stopped the bill. It was not a few neighborhood people.

I have talked with Sara about a post-mortem summit between all of the “factions” to reassert this common ground – and assess the most effective way to move forward together. And as a way to prevent a lot of finger pointing and name calling.

She is interested. Hopefully you can join us.

]]> By: Joshua http://hugeasscity.com/2009/03/10/sucking-sounds-in-olympia/comment-page-1/#comment-2914 Joshua Fri, 13 Mar 2009 19:35:39 +0000 http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2009/03/10/sucking-sounds-in-olympia/#comment-2914 Sara, thanks for fighting the good fight in the legislature. Bill, I also await your perfect plan. But, please, take your time. God knows we've got plenty of it. Sara, thanks for fighting the good fight in the legislature. Bill, I also await your perfect plan. But, please, take your time. God knows we’ve got plenty of it.

]]> By: dan bertolet http://hugeasscity.com/2009/03/10/sucking-sounds-in-olympia/comment-page-1/#comment-2904 dan bertolet Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:40:28 +0000 http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2009/03/10/sucking-sounds-in-olympia/#comment-2904 OK Bill Bradburd @17, it's all in your hands now. When you're done thinking longer and harder you let us know. Since you believe 1490 deserved to fail because it "wasn't quite right," I can't wait to hear all about your solution that will be perfectly right. OK Bill Bradburd @17, it’s all in your hands now. When you’re done thinking longer and harder you let us know. Since you believe 1490 deserved to fail because it “wasn’t quite right,” I can’t wait to hear all about your solution that will be perfectly right.

]]> By: Bill B http://hugeasscity.com/2009/03/10/sucking-sounds-in-olympia/comment-page-1/#comment-2921 Bill B Fri, 13 Mar 2009 04:28:25 +0000 http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2009/03/10/sucking-sounds-in-olympia/#comment-2921 1490 RIP. The problem with light rail is it is not a rapid transit system. If light rail ever made it to Sumner, how long would it take to get to downtown Seattle? We need to think harder and longer about how to get this right. Many of us are ready to get busy with that effort. We feel the urgency, we recognize the opposition to the ideal. 1490 wasn't quite right however... 1490 RIP.

The problem with light rail is it is not a rapid transit system. If light rail ever made it to Sumner, how long would it take to get to downtown Seattle?

We need to think harder and longer about how to get this right.

Many of us are ready to get busy with that effort. We feel the urgency, we recognize the opposition to the ideal. 1490 wasn’t quite right however…

]]> By: ktstine http://hugeasscity.com/2009/03/10/sucking-sounds-in-olympia/comment-page-1/#comment-2913 ktstine Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:11:21 +0000 http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2009/03/10/sucking-sounds-in-olympia/#comment-2913 good exchange above. i think one of the points of GMA is that we can't "put" people anywhere! the region is growing and will continue to grow and there ain't nothing we can do about this! so i agree with sara in that we need to provide an array of options for people everywhere. if there is a rail stop in sumner and all the housing around it is sprawling and requires you to have a car....bingo! everyone will drive a car. people, no matter where they choose to live, will make decisions about how to live based on the options they are presented with. let's please find a way to ensure that there is at least some moderate density around transit in smaller outlying towns. good exchange above. i think one of the points of GMA is that we can’t “put” people anywhere! the region is growing and will continue to grow and there ain’t nothing we can do about this! so i agree with sara in that we need to provide an array of options for people everywhere. if there is a rail stop in sumner and all the housing around it is sprawling and requires you to have a car….bingo! everyone will drive a car. people, no matter where they choose to live, will make decisions about how to live based on the options they are presented with. let’s please find a way to ensure that there is at least some moderate density around transit in smaller outlying towns.

]]> By: Sara http://hugeasscity.com/2009/03/10/sucking-sounds-in-olympia/comment-page-1/#comment-2912 Sara Thu, 12 Mar 2009 00:01:38 +0000 http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2009/03/10/sucking-sounds-in-olympia/#comment-2912 I'm with you on the parking. Now go get some sleep. I’m with you on the parking. Now go get some sleep.

]]> By: andrew http://hugeasscity.com/2009/03/10/sucking-sounds-in-olympia/comment-page-1/#comment-2910 andrew Wed, 11 Mar 2009 23:35:12 +0000 http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2009/03/10/sucking-sounds-in-olympia/#comment-2910 @12 I just don't think eight Sounder trains a day means you should put thousands of people, most of which won't ride the train, in Sumner. You should put no more people in Sumner. Or you can put more people in Sumner, but no more parking. That one I'll agree with, they might actually make the ride the train. I just think that having a commuter rail station doesn't make Sumner magically better than South Hill (which has a pretty good bus transit center). And it doesn't matter whether you put people who drive to Bellevue in Sumner or in Bonney Lake if they both drive to work. @13 I should take it easy, you're right. it's not the calpis, it's the bottled tea. I am just getting way too much caffeine than is good for me. @12
I just don’t think eight Sounder trains a day means you should put thousands of people, most of which won’t ride the train, in Sumner. You should put no more people in Sumner.

Or you can put more people in Sumner, but no more parking. That one I’ll agree with, they might actually make the ride the train. I just think that having a commuter rail station doesn’t make Sumner magically better than South Hill (which has a pretty good bus transit center). And it doesn’t matter whether you put people who drive to Bellevue in Sumner or in Bonney Lake if they both drive to work.

@13
I should take it easy, you’re right. it’s not the calpis, it’s the bottled tea. I am just getting way too much caffeine than is good for me.

]]> By: David in Burien http://hugeasscity.com/2009/03/10/sucking-sounds-in-olympia/comment-page-1/#comment-2911 David in Burien Wed, 11 Mar 2009 23:15:52 +0000 http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2009/03/10/sucking-sounds-in-olympia/#comment-2911 Andrew--Aren't you in Japan right now? Have you been drinking too much Calpis? Take it easy, babe. Sara's a pro. We're in good hands here. Andrew–Aren’t you in Japan right now? Have you been drinking too much Calpis? Take it easy, babe. Sara’s a pro. We’re in good hands here.

]]> By: Sara http://hugeasscity.com/2009/03/10/sucking-sounds-in-olympia/comment-page-1/#comment-2909 Sara Wed, 11 Mar 2009 23:05:55 +0000 http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2009/03/10/sucking-sounds-in-olympia/#comment-2909 Black Diamond doesn't have commuter rail. And I think my definition captured auto-oriented WalMarts and drive-thru Starbucks. I'm not saying direct growth to Sumner instead of Tacoma. I'm saying direct growth to Sumner instead of Bonney Lake or Orting. Tacoma, where there are more jobs and better transit, still gets the bulk of growth. Black Diamond doesn’t have commuter rail. And I think my definition captured auto-oriented WalMarts and drive-thru Starbucks.

I’m not saying direct growth to Sumner instead of Tacoma. I’m saying direct growth to Sumner instead of Bonney Lake or Orting. Tacoma, where there are more jobs and better transit, still gets the bulk of growth.

]]> By: andrew http://hugeasscity.com/2009/03/10/sucking-sounds-in-olympia/comment-page-1/#comment-2908 andrew Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:32:24 +0000 http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2009/03/10/sucking-sounds-in-olympia/#comment-2908 I don't agree with that definition of sprawl. Adding thousands of people and walmarts and a drive-through starbucks to Black Diamond isn't sprawl by that definition but it is by mine. I don’t agree with that definition of sprawl. Adding thousands of people and walmarts and a drive-through starbucks to Black Diamond isn’t sprawl by that definition but it is by mine.

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