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	<description>&#62; so much wonderful packaged in such a mess</description>
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		<title>By: Still Not Digging The Tunnel &#124; citytank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Still Not Digging The Tunnel &#124; citytank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2011 16:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 03.14.09: A Post About Something Inspiring. No, Really! [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Questions That Lead To More Questions &#124; hugeasscity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Questions That Lead To More Questions &#124; hugeasscity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 17:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to control my skepticism.  Because McGinn has surprised me before&#8212;e.g. although I was an early supporter, all along I was skeptical that he could actually [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to control my skepticism.  Because McGinn has surprised me before&#8212;e.g. although I was an early supporter, all along I was skeptical that he could actually [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Stating The Obvious: Hugeasscity Wants You To Vote For Mike McGinn In The Mayoral Primary &#124; hugeasscity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stating The Obvious: Hugeasscity Wants You To Vote For Mike McGinn In The Mayoral Primary &#124; hugeasscity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 19:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] should come as no surprise, e.g. McGinn was awarded the hugeasscity badge of integrity way back in March.  My support of McGinn is largely based on personal conversations I have with him over the course [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] should come as no surprise, e.g. McGinn was awarded the hugeasscity badge of integrity way back in March.  My support of McGinn is largely based on personal conversations I have with him over the course [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 08:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As fun as a debate about the gas tax and amendment 18 is, THAT RESTRICTION IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT HERE.

The Tunnel is NOT funded by state gas tax money. The State (though gas tax money) is putting $2.8 billion toward 99. That is enough money to FULLY FUND the surface transit option, including transit only lanes on most streets in downtown Seattle and the first ave streetcar, most importantly, the absolutely necessary seawall replacement, all PAID FOR.

That same $2.8 billion covers only the cost of tunnel and thus leaves the city on the hook for $900 billion to fund the transit, surface street, and absolutely necessary seawall replacements. That $900 million in ADDITIONAL city money comes from the general fund or from NEW taxes. That $900 million could be spent on ANYTHING, including schools.

McGinn is completely correct: this tunnel IS taking money away from other essential services, about $900 million away.

Unfortunately, if even the hard-core policy wonks who read this blog have come to believe the LIE that the tunnel money is somehow exclusively highway money and thus could not really be spent elsewhere, then there is, sadly, little hope for McGinn&#039;s principled campaign.

Sorry about all the capitals, it&#039;s 2 a.m. and I&#039;m very tired. BUT NOT AS TIRED AS I AM OF PEOPLE MISUNDERSTANDING BUDGETARY FUNGIBLITY! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As fun as a debate about the gas tax and amendment 18 is, THAT RESTRICTION IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT HERE.</p>
<p>The Tunnel is NOT funded by state gas tax money. The State (though gas tax money) is putting $2.8 billion toward 99. That is enough money to FULLY FUND the surface transit option, including transit only lanes on most streets in downtown Seattle and the first ave streetcar, most importantly, the absolutely necessary seawall replacement, all PAID FOR.</p>
<p>That same $2.8 billion covers only the cost of tunnel and thus leaves the city on the hook for $900 billion to fund the transit, surface street, and absolutely necessary seawall replacements. That $900 million in ADDITIONAL city money comes from the general fund or from NEW taxes. That $900 million could be spent on ANYTHING, including schools.</p>
<p>McGinn is completely correct: this tunnel IS taking money away from other essential services, about $900 million away.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, if even the hard-core policy wonks who read this blog have come to believe the LIE that the tunnel money is somehow exclusively highway money and thus could not really be spent elsewhere, then there is, sadly, little hope for McGinn&#8217;s principled campaign.</p>
<p>Sorry about all the capitals, it&#8217;s 2 a.m. and I&#8217;m very tired. BUT NOT AS TIRED AS I AM OF PEOPLE MISUNDERSTANDING BUDGETARY FUNGIBLITY! :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Daniel Franklin</title>
		<link>http://hugeasscity.com/2009/03/14/a-post-about-something-inspiring-no-really/comment-page-1/#comment-2970</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Daniel Franklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 06:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m all for change, but in 2006, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/policy/ohim/hs06/htm/sf1.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;only about $964m of the $2836m spent on highways in Washington came from gas taxes&lt;/a&gt; (the rest is a big mix of tolls, federal money, bonds, etc.). If you think gas tax money is a overflowing pot you are unfortunately mistaken. It barely covers 1/3 of highway costs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m all for change, but in 2006, <a href="http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/policy/ohim/hs06/htm/sf1.htm" rel="nofollow">only about $964m of the $2836m spent on highways in Washington came from gas taxes</a> (the rest is a big mix of tolls, federal money, bonds, etc.). If you think gas tax money is a overflowing pot you are unfortunately mistaken. It barely covers 1/3 of highway costs.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 04:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I apologize if I offended you. I mainly took issue with your use of the word &quot;simply.&quot; I support what you&#039;re proposing, but I think that such legislation would be in for a very uphill battle in the Legislature. That&#039;s not to say that its not a battle worth having though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I apologize if I offended you. I mainly took issue with your use of the word &#8220;simply.&#8221; I support what you&#8217;re proposing, but I think that such legislation would be in for a very uphill battle in the Legislature. That&#8217;s not to say that its not a battle worth having though.</p>
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		<title>By: Wes Kirkman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wes Kirkman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Understood that Justin, thanks for the naive comment.  I was merely pointing out the ridiculous situation where we have pots of highway money and that people reading a blog, that in all its nature is progressive, are easily persuaded that the pot is magicked so that projects none other than auto capacity improving can use it.  But hey, guess I am just being naive.  No thanks, you can keep supporting spending trillions on the most pollutant causing aspect of our culture while lip servicing sustainability and green...and with a smile for you are not being naive or idealistic.  You can really show your support by driving your prius solo to the Green Festival this year like everyone else will be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Understood that Justin, thanks for the naive comment.  I was merely pointing out the ridiculous situation where we have pots of highway money and that people reading a blog, that in all its nature is progressive, are easily persuaded that the pot is magicked so that projects none other than auto capacity improving can use it.  But hey, guess I am just being naive.  No thanks, you can keep supporting spending trillions on the most pollutant causing aspect of our culture while lip servicing sustainability and green&#8230;and with a smile for you are not being naive or idealistic.  You can really show your support by driving your prius solo to the Green Festival this year like everyone else will be.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 03:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Simply undo the law that makes it highway only money...spend it on transit if taxes collected on gas must stay in the transportation world.&quot;

With all due respect, I feel this statement is naive. While this may be something that we might all like, you cannot ignore the reality that we are part of a very diverse state. Even a lot of Democrats in the legislature wouldn&#039;t support what you&#039;re proposing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Simply undo the law that makes it highway only money&#8230;spend it on transit if taxes collected on gas must stay in the transportation world.&#8221;</p>
<p>With all due respect, I feel this statement is naive. While this may be something that we might all like, you cannot ignore the reality that we are part of a very diverse state. Even a lot of Democrats in the legislature wouldn&#8217;t support what you&#8217;re proposing.</p>
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		<title>By: Wes Kirkman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wes Kirkman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simply undo the law that makes it highway only money.  &quot;I don’t know if a lot of people simply don’t understand this, or if they have personal feelings that make them not want to understand it.&quot;

&quot;Does he mean he would cut the tax on gasoline so the $2 billion for the tunnel wouldn’t be collected?&quot; Heck no, raise it and/or change it to a percentage based tax, like most other taxes.  If it is burning a hole in the state&#039;s pocket, don&#039;t spend it on another highway just for the sake of getting rid of it.  Spend it on transit if taxes collected on gas must stay in the transportation world.

Badge him up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simply undo the law that makes it highway only money.  &#8220;I don’t know if a lot of people simply don’t understand this, or if they have personal feelings that make them not want to understand it.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Does he mean he would cut the tax on gasoline so the $2 billion for the tunnel wouldn’t be collected?&#8221; Heck no, raise it and/or change it to a percentage based tax, like most other taxes.  If it is burning a hole in the state&#8217;s pocket, don&#8217;t spend it on another highway just for the sake of getting rid of it.  Spend it on transit if taxes collected on gas must stay in the transportation world.</p>
<p>Badge him up.</p>
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		<title>By: serial catowner</title>
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		<dc:creator>serial catowner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know we can&#039;t keep doing business as usual.  I&#039;ve known that since 1965.  I&#039;ve spent my entire life trying not to do business as usual.  That and $3.50 will get me a cup of coffee.  In fact, most everyone reading this is now rolling their eyes and thinking &quot;Big deal!  Who &lt;i&gt;cares&lt;/i&gt; how long you&#039;ve known it or what you&#039;ve learned about it!&quot;

So, let&#039;s ask if there is a &lt;i&gt;serious&lt;/i&gt; response to &quot;Where would you cut the budget&quot;.  Well, lo and behold, it turns out there is- bills in the state House and Senate to make possession of small amounts of marijuana a misdemeanor for which a simple citation is issued.

There&#039;s a simple answer that, by all indications, has the support of 60% or more of the public and would produce immediate budget savings at the city, county, and state level that mayors, county executives, and the governor could spend on anything they wanted to.  I would have been impressed if McGinn had used his teachable moment to kick that can a little ways down the road.

In fact, I find the Great City website to be impressive and interesting.  I imagine I would cheer enthusiastically at 99% of what Mr. McGinn might say.  But when it comes to assertions that the state has $2 billion just lying around that could be used for whatever we want, not so much.  I&#039;ve heard enough of that kind of talk already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know we can&#8217;t keep doing business as usual.  I&#8217;ve known that since 1965.  I&#8217;ve spent my entire life trying not to do business as usual.  That and $3.50 will get me a cup of coffee.  In fact, most everyone reading this is now rolling their eyes and thinking &#8220;Big deal!  Who <i>cares</i> how long you&#8217;ve known it or what you&#8217;ve learned about it!&#8221;</p>
<p>So, let&#8217;s ask if there is a <i>serious</i> response to &#8220;Where would you cut the budget&#8221;.  Well, lo and behold, it turns out there is- bills in the state House and Senate to make possession of small amounts of marijuana a misdemeanor for which a simple citation is issued.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a simple answer that, by all indications, has the support of 60% or more of the public and would produce immediate budget savings at the city, county, and state level that mayors, county executives, and the governor could spend on anything they wanted to.  I would have been impressed if McGinn had used his teachable moment to kick that can a little ways down the road.</p>
<p>In fact, I find the Great City website to be impressive and interesting.  I imagine I would cheer enthusiastically at 99% of what Mr. McGinn might say.  But when it comes to assertions that the state has $2 billion just lying around that could be used for whatever we want, not so much.  I&#8217;ve heard enough of that kind of talk already.</p>
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