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		<title>By: Baird Stewart</title>
		<link>http://hugeasscity.com/2009/04/14/seattles-first-tod/comment-page-1/#comment-221274</link>
		<dc:creator>Baird Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 May 2010 07:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello - quite good web site you might have created. I enjoyed reading through the posting. I did wish to issue a comment to tell you that the layout of this internet site is very aesthetically delightful. I utilized to be a graphic designer, today I am a copy editor in chief for a advertising firm. I have always enjoyed playing with info processing systems and &#039;m trying to learn computer code throughout my free time (which there is never sufficient of lol).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello &#8211; quite good web site you might have created. I enjoyed reading through the posting. I did wish to issue a comment to tell you that the layout of this internet site is very aesthetically delightful. I utilized to be a graphic designer, today I am a copy editor in chief for a advertising firm. I have always enjoyed playing with info processing systems and &#8216;m trying to learn computer code throughout my free time (which there is never sufficient of lol).</p>
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		<title>By: Grocery store</title>
		<link>http://hugeasscity.com/2009/04/14/seattles-first-tod/comment-page-1/#comment-37054</link>
		<dc:creator>Grocery store</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 03:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any updates on grocery store at thornton place. I would love to see one there!</description>
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		<title>By: Coming To Othello Station: The Future &#124; hugeasscity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coming To Othello Station: The Future &#124; hugeasscity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the Othello Partners projects too big?  Like Thornton Place, they are not perfect.  For one thing, it would be great if they didn&#8217;t have so much [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the Othello Partners projects too big?  Like Thornton Place, they are not perfect.  For one thing, it would be great if they didn&#8217;t have so much [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Morgan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 07:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not both?  QFC is not going to fold and bring Fred Meyer back to Capitol Hill.

I never said Columbia Heights was downtown.  I lived there too, in 2000 and 2001 right on Park Rd. NW at 14th St.  It is most certainly urban and inner city, and a good example of where national chains opened stores using their more vertical, urban floor plans like those in Manhattan.  That Target is the first and only one in the District of Columbia; no more do DC residents have to go to Route 1 and pay sales tax to VA.  There is no TOD at the RI Ave. station--that&#039;s one of the notorious failures good groups like the Coalition for Smarter Growth are working on now.  Rockville works pretty well, but that&#039;s much further from downtown than Northgate is; roughly 15 miles, the 2nd last stop on the Red Line.  Northgate is about 7-8 miles from downtown; more like Bethesda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not both?  QFC is not going to fold and bring Fred Meyer back to Capitol Hill.</p>
<p>I never said Columbia Heights was downtown.  I lived there too, in 2000 and 2001 right on Park Rd. NW at 14th St.  It is most certainly urban and inner city, and a good example of where national chains opened stores using their more vertical, urban floor plans like those in Manhattan.  That Target is the first and only one in the District of Columbia; no more do DC residents have to go to Route 1 and pay sales tax to VA.  There is no TOD at the RI Ave. station&#8211;that&#8217;s one of the notorious failures good groups like the Coalition for Smarter Growth are working on now.  Rockville works pretty well, but that&#8217;s much further from downtown than Northgate is; roughly 15 miles, the 2nd last stop on the Red Line.  Northgate is about 7-8 miles from downtown; more like Bethesda.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathryn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 07:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not s Target at Othello?  If it&#039;s a link ride away, why on earth would people want it downtown or at Dearborn?  Fred Meyer does better.  There was a great Fred Meyer in Braodway Market before QFC took it over.

BTW I lived right on the street that has that mall in NW DC almost 30 years ago.  That is not &#039;downtown&#039; any way you look at it.  I&#039;ve also seen the ups and downs of TOD at Rhode Island and Rockville, and I compare Northgate to Rockville.  Could be interesting how it ends up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not s Target at Othello?  If it&#8217;s a link ride away, why on earth would people want it downtown or at Dearborn?  Fred Meyer does better.  There was a great Fred Meyer in Braodway Market before QFC took it over.</p>
<p>BTW I lived right on the street that has that mall in NW DC almost 30 years ago.  That is not &#8216;downtown&#8217; any way you look at it.  I&#8217;ve also seen the ups and downs of TOD at Rhode Island and Rockville, and I compare Northgate to Rockville.  Could be interesting how it ends up.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Morgan</title>
		<link>http://hugeasscity.com/2009/04/14/seattles-first-tod/comment-page-1/#comment-3245</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 20:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tempted at Lorig last spring.  They are the developer of this project.  I think it&#039;s great and am very supportive of it.  I spent 6 years living in Washington, DC where the 32 year old Metro system has spurred incredible amounts of TOD around most of the stations.  You can literally walk up Connecticut Ave. NW under which the Red Line runs and see how the development gets taller and denser as you near a Metro station, then lower and more sparse again as you hit a midpoint between stations.  That&#039;s what Seattle should look like.

I&#039;m wary of big boxes in urban areas, but not so reflexively opposed to them as many Seattleites.  Why?  Because I&#039;ve spent time in DC and New York where I&#039;ve seen that they don&#039;t have to be awful, monstrous, impermeable, inhospitable structures that house evil chains like Wal-Mart.  Look at the new Columbia Heights station area in DC.  Many national chains (Bed, Bath and Beyond; Best Buy; Target) realized a few years ago that they&#039;d saturated the suburban and rural areas with stores but neglected big cities.  And they realized that hulking one-story boxes surrounded by parking don&#039;t work in urban areas.  So they&#039;ve developed stores with smaller horizontal footprints that make use of height instead.  They work fairly well as TOD components.  Furthermore, I&#039;ll give the example of myself living on Capitol Hill where my only choices for buying a lot of things are grossly overpriced stores like QFC.  If I want reasonable prices or items I can&#039;t get on the Hill, I have to go down to Costco (CAR!) or up to Northgate to Target, if not outside the City altogether.  This reduces urbanites&#039; quality of life and sends tax revenue Seattle could be collecting to the suburbs.  I want a Target downtown or on Capitol Hill!

Finally, while others have covered many great aspects of this project, I also work in the area now; 4th Ave. NE &amp; NE 100th St.  This project, like Olive 8 and others in town, aims to be and markets itself as pedestrian-friendly, yet it&#039;s closed a huge stretch of sidewalk to pedestrians for well over a year during construction.  Sometimes this is unavoidable, but it can be reduced and mitigated much better.  5th Ave. NE is an important arterial--it&#039;s how you get to and from the library and community center, and Northgate North.  Yet there&#039;s no provision for pedestrians to walk on the west side of the street.  If that kind of practice is allowed and continued, one street may reopen upon completion of one project, but other sidewalks will close when nearby projects are built.  This closes large and important part of the pedestrian transportation network, making the area not so ped-friendly, and it&#039;s unsustainable.  In 2008 City Council commissioned a report from the City Auditor&#039;s office on construction sidewalk closures, and the result is excellent.  A stakeholder committee is now going over the report to make recommendations to the Council, and we&#039;re going to need to be squeaky wheels telling Council to adopt the recommendations for a new regime that will reduce the number, size, and duration of sidewalk closures and provide alternative continuous pedestrian paths around construction sites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tempted at Lorig last spring.  They are the developer of this project.  I think it&#8217;s great and am very supportive of it.  I spent 6 years living in Washington, DC where the 32 year old Metro system has spurred incredible amounts of TOD around most of the stations.  You can literally walk up Connecticut Ave. NW under which the Red Line runs and see how the development gets taller and denser as you near a Metro station, then lower and more sparse again as you hit a midpoint between stations.  That&#8217;s what Seattle should look like.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m wary of big boxes in urban areas, but not so reflexively opposed to them as many Seattleites.  Why?  Because I&#8217;ve spent time in DC and New York where I&#8217;ve seen that they don&#8217;t have to be awful, monstrous, impermeable, inhospitable structures that house evil chains like Wal-Mart.  Look at the new Columbia Heights station area in DC.  Many national chains (Bed, Bath and Beyond; Best Buy; Target) realized a few years ago that they&#8217;d saturated the suburban and rural areas with stores but neglected big cities.  And they realized that hulking one-story boxes surrounded by parking don&#8217;t work in urban areas.  So they&#8217;ve developed stores with smaller horizontal footprints that make use of height instead.  They work fairly well as TOD components.  Furthermore, I&#8217;ll give the example of myself living on Capitol Hill where my only choices for buying a lot of things are grossly overpriced stores like QFC.  If I want reasonable prices or items I can&#8217;t get on the Hill, I have to go down to Costco (CAR!) or up to Northgate to Target, if not outside the City altogether.  This reduces urbanites&#8217; quality of life and sends tax revenue Seattle could be collecting to the suburbs.  I want a Target downtown or on Capitol Hill!</p>
<p>Finally, while others have covered many great aspects of this project, I also work in the area now; 4th Ave. NE &amp; NE 100th St.  This project, like Olive 8 and others in town, aims to be and markets itself as pedestrian-friendly, yet it&#8217;s closed a huge stretch of sidewalk to pedestrians for well over a year during construction.  Sometimes this is unavoidable, but it can be reduced and mitigated much better.  5th Ave. NE is an important arterial&#8211;it&#8217;s how you get to and from the library and community center, and Northgate North.  Yet there&#8217;s no provision for pedestrians to walk on the west side of the street.  If that kind of practice is allowed and continued, one street may reopen upon completion of one project, but other sidewalks will close when nearby projects are built.  This closes large and important part of the pedestrian transportation network, making the area not so ped-friendly, and it&#8217;s unsustainable.  In 2008 City Council commissioned a report from the City Auditor&#8217;s office on construction sidewalk closures, and the result is excellent.  A stakeholder committee is now going over the report to make recommendations to the Council, and we&#8217;re going to need to be squeaky wheels telling Council to adopt the recommendations for a new regime that will reduce the number, size, and duration of sidewalk closures and provide alternative continuous pedestrian paths around construction sites.</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good project...despite regressive nimby whiners on Slog.  I thought Seattlites were supposed to be &quot;progressive&quot;.

I was in San Diego last week, even they seem to be light years ahead of Seattle with TOD and thier trolly system.  Funking San Dog is beating Seattle...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good project&#8230;despite regressive nimby whiners on Slog.  I thought Seattlites were supposed to be &#8220;progressive&#8221;.</p>
<p>I was in San Diego last week, even they seem to be light years ahead of Seattle with TOD and thier trolly system.  Funking San Dog is beating Seattle&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Erica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 03:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m thrilled with the development -- that ugly parking lot was so NASTY for waaaaaaay too long. I can hardly wait to go to the movies right here in my own neighborhood. I look forward to going to dinner and walking through the park in the evenings. But holy cow, the units are really expensive! I&#039;d love to find some way that my mom could get a place down there and be able to transition to assisted living someday, and be close to me -- but that kind of pricing puts it completely out of our range.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m thrilled with the development &#8212; that ugly parking lot was so NASTY for waaaaaaay too long. I can hardly wait to go to the movies right here in my own neighborhood. I look forward to going to dinner and walking through the park in the evenings. But holy cow, the units are really expensive! I&#8217;d love to find some way that my mom could get a place down there and be able to transition to assisted living someday, and be close to me &#8212; but that kind of pricing puts it completely out of our range.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn</title>
		<link>http://hugeasscity.com/2009/04/14/seattles-first-tod/comment-page-1/#comment-3254</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathryn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 01:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone figured out how to build a parking garage that can be repurposed into an apartment building?  Even if all those parking lots could be consolidated into a couple of cheap parking garages, the landscape and walking experience would be vastly improved...  I hope sooner rather than later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone figured out how to build a parking garage that can be repurposed into an apartment building?  Even if all those parking lots could be consolidated into a couple of cheap parking garages, the landscape and walking experience would be vastly improved&#8230;  I hope sooner rather than later.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Joshua Daniel Franklin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Joshua Daniel Franklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 00:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never say never... I think Thornton Place and Northgate have a real chance as a walkable area. Two vital institutions exist on the ground today: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.seattle.gov/parks/Centers/current/Northgate_Community_Center.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Northgate Community Center&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.spl.org/default.asp?pageID=branch_open&amp;branchID=21&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Northgate Branch of the Seattle Public Library&lt;/a&gt;, conveniently located 2 megablocks or less than half a mile away from Thornton Place (on your way to that QFC!). The issue is that distance is entirely mall parking along a busy arterial. Give it 10 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never say never&#8230; I think Thornton Place and Northgate have a real chance as a walkable area. Two vital institutions exist on the ground today: <a href="http://www.seattle.gov/parks/Centers/current/Northgate_Community_Center.htm" rel="nofollow">Northgate Community Center</a> and <a href="http://www.spl.org/default.asp?pageID=branch_open&amp;branchID=21" rel="nofollow">Northgate Branch of the Seattle Public Library</a>, conveniently located 2 megablocks or less than half a mile away from Thornton Place (on your way to that QFC!). The issue is that distance is entirely mall parking along a busy arterial. Give it 10 years.</p>
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