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		<title>By: front lace wigs</title>
		<link>http://hugeasscity.com/2009/05/01/may-day-and-mayday/comment-page-1/#comment-558163</link>
		<dc:creator>front lace wigs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2011 22:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ultimately it is my desire to have a blogg as nice as yours. what is your secret?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ultimately it is my desire to have a blogg as nice as yours. what is your secret?</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
		<link>http://hugeasscity.com/2009/05/01/may-day-and-mayday/comment-page-1/#comment-3345</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 20:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great blog!    Would love to see some better coverage of the monstrosity that has been 10 years in the making at the top of Beacon Hill - aka &quot;The Slow Dig&quot;  aka &quot;The Hole&quot; aka &quot;Underground Light Rail&quot;.  The blue wall is down, and the crews are still up all night trying to hit a deadline (delayed two years BTW) in July.  The Beacon Hill Council has been doing community involvement on the high transit area for six years, and the powers that be are prepared to ignore this entirely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great blog!    Would love to see some better coverage of the monstrosity that has been 10 years in the making at the top of Beacon Hill &#8211; aka &#8220;The Slow Dig&#8221;  aka &#8220;The Hole&#8221; aka &#8220;Underground Light Rail&#8221;.  The blue wall is down, and the crews are still up all night trying to hit a deadline (delayed two years BTW) in July.  The Beacon Hill Council has been doing community involvement on the high transit area for six years, and the powers that be are prepared to ignore this entirely.</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 19:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny that none of these comments deal directly with the building in question, Olive8.  One it&#039;s own, sure, O8 is somewhat monotonous and uninspiring.  But when coming down Pine and facing downtown, I cannot help but be struck by the architectural variety in that dense pack of towers on that block, and how O8 seems to reinforce the beauty of the older buildings near it.  Through contrast, everything surrounding it seems to become more special, a better representative of the era in which it was build- even the drone-like Bell Tower almost takes on a retro cool.  We can all agree that O8 is a much better building than Bell Tower, and sitting side by side we see just how far we have come.

And I was walking down Olive the other day in the sun and was pleasantly surprised to see the entire sidewalk cast in blue light, due to the sun hitting the blue plastic wings that encircle the top of O8.  I&#039;m sure it was an unintentional bi product of the design, and was at best a temporary addition to the streetscape, but for just that moment, brief as it was, it was pretty neat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny that none of these comments deal directly with the building in question, Olive8.  One it&#8217;s own, sure, O8 is somewhat monotonous and uninspiring.  But when coming down Pine and facing downtown, I cannot help but be struck by the architectural variety in that dense pack of towers on that block, and how O8 seems to reinforce the beauty of the older buildings near it.  Through contrast, everything surrounding it seems to become more special, a better representative of the era in which it was build- even the drone-like Bell Tower almost takes on a retro cool.  We can all agree that O8 is a much better building than Bell Tower, and sitting side by side we see just how far we have come.</p>
<p>And I was walking down Olive the other day in the sun and was pleasantly surprised to see the entire sidewalk cast in blue light, due to the sun hitting the blue plastic wings that encircle the top of O8.  I&#8217;m sure it was an unintentional bi product of the design, and was at best a temporary addition to the streetscape, but for just that moment, brief as it was, it was pretty neat.</p>
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		<title>By: Bailey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 15:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to second FreshEgg with another thank you for this blog, Dan. I have such admiration and gratitude for the passion and wit of your posts. Thoughtful, insightful, informed. Thank you for taking risks, not being afraid to offend, and keeping the dialogue going on these vital issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to second FreshEgg with another thank you for this blog, Dan. I have such admiration and gratitude for the passion and wit of your posts. Thoughtful, insightful, informed. Thank you for taking risks, not being afraid to offend, and keeping the dialogue going on these vital issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathryn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 06:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and Josh you are going to get 5 town houses which will each have 2 &#039;master bedrooms&#039;, translating into 5 couples/roomate situations and maybe one kid.  Lucky if 12 people end up there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and Josh you are going to get 5 town houses which will each have 2 &#8216;master bedrooms&#8217;, translating into 5 couples/roomate situations and maybe one kid.  Lucky if 12 people end up there.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn</title>
		<link>http://hugeasscity.com/2009/05/01/may-day-and-mayday/comment-page-1/#comment-3358</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathryn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 06:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The proposed MF code calls for use of FAR, except in the L! and L2.  I&#039;d rather it uses FAR for those as well.  but, I&#039;d also like a minimum density for each zone, based on minimum number of bedrooms and maximum square footage per unit.  Trying to force the L3-4 to build up to code instead of underbuilding frankly..

But, if there is an existing house on the property, let&#039;s figure out a way to get it kept.  Incentives could include reduction in parking requirements, for example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The proposed MF code calls for use of FAR, except in the L! and L2.  I&#8217;d rather it uses FAR for those as well.  but, I&#8217;d also like a minimum density for each zone, based on minimum number of bedrooms and maximum square footage per unit.  Trying to force the L3-4 to build up to code instead of underbuilding frankly..</p>
<p>But, if there is an existing house on the property, let&#8217;s figure out a way to get it kept.  Incentives could include reduction in parking requirements, for example.</p>
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		<title>By: dan cortland</title>
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		<dc:creator>dan cortland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 05:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh Mahar,

Yeah, that&#039;s what happens when density is defined as &quot;units&quot; of housing and a studio apartment = 1 unit = a 5 bedroom rental SF house. Define density in numbers of people and things might change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh Mahar,</p>
<p>Yeah, that&#8217;s what happens when density is defined as &#8220;units&#8221; of housing and a studio apartment = 1 unit = a 5 bedroom rental SF house. Define density in numbers of people and things might change.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Daniel Franklin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua Daniel Franklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 01:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JoshMahar, that&#039;s nothing other than a tragedy (well, except for whoever cashed in I suppose). It&#039;s not complex and as you point out it&#039;s not density either. The code that more or less requires townhomes like that is broekn and the city is trying to figure out what would work better.

Kathryn, the NC buildings I&#039;ve seen have a great variety of sizes in commercial space. Have you been to the newish City Hardware in SLU, for example? It&#039;s quite small but a really great neighborhood resource. (Oh, and unfortunately Seattle&#039;s historic inventory provides zero protection as you probably know.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JoshMahar, that&#8217;s nothing other than a tragedy (well, except for whoever cashed in I suppose). It&#8217;s not complex and as you point out it&#8217;s not density either. The code that more or less requires townhomes like that is broekn and the city is trying to figure out what would work better.</p>
<p>Kathryn, the NC buildings I&#8217;ve seen have a great variety of sizes in commercial space. Have you been to the newish City Hardware in SLU, for example? It&#8217;s quite small but a really great neighborhood resource. (Oh, and unfortunately Seattle&#8217;s historic inventory provides zero protection as you probably know.)</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathryn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 20:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a historic inventory here:
http://web1.seattle.gov/dpd/historicalsite/

I don&#039;t think they got everything, but a scan of Central Area streets indicates that there is a historical character interest here.

I would have preferred that the existing house be preserved with its current use and maybe a new building added to the land.

Zoning does not really translate to uses, either from an income perspective or economic development perspective, both of which are components of sustainable neighborhoods -- homes, jobs, goods and services nearby for a variety of income levels.

How many of those Neoghborhood Commercial buildings have deep enough retail spaces for the inventory back room required for even a small hardware store, for example?

Thinking that overlays and other mechanisms may be needed in the code.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a historic inventory here:<br />
<a href="http://web1.seattle.gov/dpd/historicalsite/" rel="nofollow">http://web1.seattle.gov/dpd/historicalsite/</a></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think they got everything, but a scan of Central Area streets indicates that there is a historical character interest here.</p>
<p>I would have preferred that the existing house be preserved with its current use and maybe a new building added to the land.</p>
<p>Zoning does not really translate to uses, either from an income perspective or economic development perspective, both of which are components of sustainable neighborhoods &#8212; homes, jobs, goods and services nearby for a variety of income levels.</p>
<p>How many of those Neoghborhood Commercial buildings have deep enough retail spaces for the inventory back room required for even a small hardware store, for example?</p>
<p>Thinking that overlays and other mechanisms may be needed in the code.</p>
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		<title>By: JoshMahar</title>
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		<dc:creator>JoshMahar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 17:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a good one for density complexity. Check out this project in the CD:

http://web1.seattle.gov/dpd/luib/Notice.aspx?BID=413&amp;NID=9768

Its one SFH being replaced by five new townhomes. Sounds reasonable on the surface. But here&#039;s the catch, the now-standing SFH is already divided into 6 residential units, one more than the proposed townhomes.

Granted the old units are probably much smaller, but I would say you are probably replacing about 8 people with maybe 12 - 15. That&#039;s not even double. Plus, the current SFH is historic, affordable, and only takes up half the lot, leaving way more greenspace that could be used a garden, goats, chickens, or what have you. Oh, did I mention that the SFH was built in 1901 and has no parking. Correct me if I&#039;m wrong but the new buildings are required to have one space per unit, total = 5. So which housing form is more sustainable here?

I&#039;m not trying to go all mossback on you here but I think this situation is more the norm, rather than the exception and its an important issue in the affordability discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a good one for density complexity. Check out this project in the CD:</p>
<p><a href="http://web1.seattle.gov/dpd/luib/Notice.aspx?BID=413&amp;NID=9768" rel="nofollow">http://web1.seattle.gov/dpd/luib/Notice.aspx?BID=413&amp;NID=9768</a></p>
<p>Its one SFH being replaced by five new townhomes. Sounds reasonable on the surface. But here&#8217;s the catch, the now-standing SFH is already divided into 6 residential units, one more than the proposed townhomes.</p>
<p>Granted the old units are probably much smaller, but I would say you are probably replacing about 8 people with maybe 12 &#8211; 15. That&#8217;s not even double. Plus, the current SFH is historic, affordable, and only takes up half the lot, leaving way more greenspace that could be used a garden, goats, chickens, or what have you. Oh, did I mention that the SFH was built in 1901 and has no parking. Correct me if I&#8217;m wrong but the new buildings are required to have one space per unit, total = 5. So which housing form is more sustainable here?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not trying to go all mossback on you here but I think this situation is more the norm, rather than the exception and its an important issue in the affordability discussion.</p>
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