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		<title>By: Front Page News &#124; hugeasscity</title>
		<link>http://hugeasscity.com/2009/07/09/youre-not-an-environmentalist-if-youre-also-a-nimby/comment-page-1/#comment-3828</link>
		<dc:creator>Front Page News &#124; hugeasscity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] $875,000 single-family home.  These sentiments perfectly capture the key drivers of anti-density NIMBYism:  bigotry against people who don&#8217;t own a single-family house;  the obsessive association [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] $875,000 single-family home.  These sentiments perfectly capture the key drivers of anti-density NIMBYism:  bigotry against people who don&#8217;t own a single-family house;  the obsessive association [...]</p>
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		<title>By: dan cortland</title>
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		<dc:creator>dan cortland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 00:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;but do you really think there are no new jobs at all involved in these newly funded centers?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Obviously not, because I&#039;ve never even suggested it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>but do you really think there are no new jobs at all involved in these newly funded centers?</p></blockquote>
<p>Obviously not, because I&#8217;ve never even suggested it.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Daniel Franklin</title>
		<link>http://hugeasscity.com/2009/07/09/youre-not-an-environmentalist-if-youre-also-a-nimby/comment-page-1/#comment-3830</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Daniel Franklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 18:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DanC, I try to be polite and see where people are coming from, but I&#039;m not sure how to respond. I have no illusions about the hype, Vulcan was hoping for big money and is probably pissed we can&#039;t afford their &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.stroupecondoblog.com/2009/06/no-doubt-enso-buyers-will-walk-away-as-thieves/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;new luxury condos in Denny Triangle&lt;/a&gt;. But Fox portrays it as a complete failure when he says &quot;biotech never got off the ground.&quot; We do exist and we can afford to rent market-rate apartments on our public sector salaries. (It didn&#039;t help that he also mocked our medical work as &quot;developing new patented life forms,&quot; a ethically questionable practice used by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/search?q=monsanto+seed+patents&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;for-profit agribusiness&lt;/a&gt;.)

It&#039;s absolutely true as you said (and I mentioned) that some jobs at UW SLU are not new, but do you really think there are no new jobs at all involved in these newly funded centers? Why don&#039;t you give Randall Moon a call and ask him if there was room for &lt;a href=&quot;http://depts.washington.edu/uwhts/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;their new equipment&lt;/a&gt; on campus? If UW does not have the facilities it will not be competitive and the work will go to one of the 80 other Academic Medical Centers. (As it does if another institution has better area expertise.)

You could probably say the same about any of the businesses relocating to SLU. The mayor&#039;s jobs numbers are obviously self-serving propaganda, but maybe it matters to have &lt;a href=&quot;http://seattle.bizjournals.com/seattle/stories/2008/12/01/story12.html?page=2&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;enough space to potentially double in size&quot; and &quot;way better transportation&quot; in center city Seattle&lt;/a&gt;.

My work? &lt;a href=&quot;http://joshuadf.blogspot.com/2008/06/what-heck-is-translational-science-in.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;translational health science&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DanC, I try to be polite and see where people are coming from, but I&#8217;m not sure how to respond. I have no illusions about the hype, Vulcan was hoping for big money and is probably pissed we can&#8217;t afford their <a href="http://www.stroupecondoblog.com/2009/06/no-doubt-enso-buyers-will-walk-away-as-thieves/" rel="nofollow">new luxury condos in Denny Triangle</a>. But Fox portrays it as a complete failure when he says &#8220;biotech never got off the ground.&#8221; We do exist and we can afford to rent market-rate apartments on our public sector salaries. (It didn&#8217;t help that he also mocked our medical work as &#8220;developing new patented life forms,&#8221; a ethically questionable practice used by <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=monsanto+seed+patents" rel="nofollow">for-profit agribusiness</a>.)</p>
<p>It&#8217;s absolutely true as you said (and I mentioned) that some jobs at UW SLU are not new, but do you really think there are no new jobs at all involved in these newly funded centers? Why don&#8217;t you give Randall Moon a call and ask him if there was room for <a href="http://depts.washington.edu/uwhts/" rel="nofollow">their new equipment</a> on campus? If UW does not have the facilities it will not be competitive and the work will go to one of the 80 other Academic Medical Centers. (As it does if another institution has better area expertise.)</p>
<p>You could probably say the same about any of the businesses relocating to SLU. The mayor&#8217;s jobs numbers are obviously self-serving propaganda, but maybe it matters to have <a href="http://seattle.bizjournals.com/seattle/stories/2008/12/01/story12.html?page=2" rel="nofollow">&#8220;enough space to potentially double in size&#8221; and &#8220;way better transportation&#8221; in center city Seattle</a>.</p>
<p>My work? <a href="http://joshuadf.blogspot.com/2008/06/what-heck-is-translational-science-in.html" rel="nofollow">translational health science</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: dan cortland</title>
		<link>http://hugeasscity.com/2009/07/09/youre-not-an-environmentalist-if-youre-also-a-nimby/comment-page-1/#comment-3827</link>
		<dc:creator>dan cortland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JDF: It&#039;s extremely unlikely that the established, tenured UW faculty (Moon et al.) moved from the main campus alone. They probably took full labs with them. New hires would occur with the natural turnover of students and postdocs, as well as some expansion of labs. Fox is correct. SLU is not the biotech (for profit or nonprofit) job creator it was hyped to be.

What do you study, red herring biology?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JDF: It&#8217;s extremely unlikely that the established, tenured UW faculty (Moon et al.) moved from the main campus alone. They probably took full labs with them. New hires would occur with the natural turnover of students and postdocs, as well as some expansion of labs. Fox is correct. SLU is not the biotech (for profit or nonprofit) job creator it was hyped to be.</p>
<p>What do you study, red herring biology?</p>
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		<title>By: Tony the Economist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony the Economist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 07:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about we ruffle some other feathers: you&#039;re not an environmentalist if you oppose gentrification. If you displace poor people into the distant suburbs, they will still ride the bus. Every time you liberals try to stop a luxury condo from displacing an low-income apartment complex you are just making global warming worse! And that damn housing levy. Every piece of land you waste building housing for people so poor that they can&#039;t afford a car anyway is a piece of land not available to build luxury condos, which is the only way you will ever get the middle class to walk to work.

Remember: there are no other values besides exploiting the threat of global warming to push a pro-development agenda. All other concerns are secondary! Oh, and don&#039;t waste time trying to push for the kind of carbon pricing policies that would actually have an impact on global warming, be sure to focus all your attention exploiting the crisis to push an urban development agenda before it&#039;s too late, and by &quot;too late&quot; I of course mean: before people realize that dense development is about as effective at fighting global warming as Light Rail is at fighting traffic congestion!

Please note that there is a degree of sarcasm in this post, though there is a grain of truth in there as well. See if you can tell the difference. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about we ruffle some other feathers: you&#8217;re not an environmentalist if you oppose gentrification. If you displace poor people into the distant suburbs, they will still ride the bus. Every time you liberals try to stop a luxury condo from displacing an low-income apartment complex you are just making global warming worse! And that damn housing levy. Every piece of land you waste building housing for people so poor that they can&#8217;t afford a car anyway is a piece of land not available to build luxury condos, which is the only way you will ever get the middle class to walk to work.</p>
<p>Remember: there are no other values besides exploiting the threat of global warming to push a pro-development agenda. All other concerns are secondary! Oh, and don&#8217;t waste time trying to push for the kind of carbon pricing policies that would actually have an impact on global warming, be sure to focus all your attention exploiting the crisis to push an urban development agenda before it&#8217;s too late, and by &#8220;too late&#8221; I of course mean: before people realize that dense development is about as effective at fighting global warming as Light Rail is at fighting traffic congestion!</p>
<p>Please note that there is a degree of sarcasm in this post, though there is a grain of truth in there as well. See if you can tell the difference. :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Daniel Franklin</title>
		<link>http://hugeasscity.com/2009/07/09/youre-not-an-environmentalist-if-youre-also-a-nimby/comment-page-1/#comment-3832</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Daniel Franklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 03:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DanC, supposedly John Fox is a advocate for low-income housing, so it stands to reason that he would at least mention it while he&#039;s blasting the city for updating SLU&#039;s sewer and power systems for the 21st Century. As I stated in the response, I agree with some of his goals but not with his methods.

You are also misinformed about SBRI and UW SLU, both of which were previously short of lab space and so could not expand. In fact, SBRI kicked some Seattle Children&#039;s groups out that had been sharing their new Westlake space because they&#039;ve grown even faster than expected--not to worry though, Seattle Children&#039;s has space at 9th and Stewart. The faculty and a few staff have been at UW, but many of the centers at UW SLU are brand new, including the Women&#039;s Translational Health and the ITHS. I know 8 new hires on the 2nd floor of bldg C personally, which admittedly is not many by itself but I&#039;m talking about people I can name off the top of my head and who recognize my face. I&#039;m sure the city (and Vulcan) would have preferred to see successful startups like Zymo that brought in some serious tax money, but personally I&#039;ll settle for non-profits that have a real shot at curing malaria and tuberculosis (not to mention that cancer work at the Hutch). We do pay our sales tax, after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DanC, supposedly John Fox is a advocate for low-income housing, so it stands to reason that he would at least mention it while he&#8217;s blasting the city for updating SLU&#8217;s sewer and power systems for the 21st Century. As I stated in the response, I agree with some of his goals but not with his methods.</p>
<p>You are also misinformed about SBRI and UW SLU, both of which were previously short of lab space and so could not expand. In fact, SBRI kicked some Seattle Children&#8217;s groups out that had been sharing their new Westlake space because they&#8217;ve grown even faster than expected&#8211;not to worry though, Seattle Children&#8217;s has space at 9th and Stewart. The faculty and a few staff have been at UW, but many of the centers at UW SLU are brand new, including the Women&#8217;s Translational Health and the ITHS. I know 8 new hires on the 2nd floor of bldg C personally, which admittedly is not many by itself but I&#8217;m talking about people I can name off the top of my head and who recognize my face. I&#8217;m sure the city (and Vulcan) would have preferred to see successful startups like Zymo that brought in some serious tax money, but personally I&#8217;ll settle for non-profits that have a real shot at curing malaria and tuberculosis (not to mention that cancer work at the Hutch). We do pay our sales tax, after all.</p>
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		<title>By: dan cortland</title>
		<link>http://hugeasscity.com/2009/07/09/youre-not-an-environmentalist-if-youre-also-a-nimby/comment-page-1/#comment-3833</link>
		<dc:creator>dan cortland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JDF@10: Fox and Coulter don&#039;t ignore low-income housing in their latest column on SLU any more than they ignore the debate over corn vs. flour tortillas in their column, because housing isn&#039;t the topic of the column. They are writing specifically about the failure of biotech to generate new jobs in the neighborhood as promised. SBRI moved from Queen Anne, and practically every lab at UW Med/SLU moved from the main campus. Rosetta moved from the Eastside, then went out of business. Nothing you&#039;ve written about nonprofits or housing addresses their point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JDF@10: Fox and Coulter don&#8217;t ignore low-income housing in their latest column on SLU any more than they ignore the debate over corn vs. flour tortillas in their column, because housing isn&#8217;t the topic of the column. They are writing specifically about the failure of biotech to generate new jobs in the neighborhood as promised. SBRI moved from Queen Anne, and practically every lab at UW Med/SLU moved from the main campus. Rosetta moved from the Eastside, then went out of business. Nothing you&#8217;ve written about nonprofits or housing addresses their point.</p>
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		<title>By: Just a tip from an insider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just a tip from an insider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 23:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesus christ. Here&#039;s my post:

John Fox is an a**hat. Here&#039;s what&#039;s great about SLU:

Just TODAY Downtown Emergency Service Center broke ground on Canaday House for homeless folks at 424 Minor Ave.

And it&#039;s NEXT F***ING DOOR to Low Income Housing Institute&#039;s Bart Harvey low-income senior housing.

Which are ACROSS THE F***ING STREET from Housing Resources Group&#039;s Casa Pacifica low-income workforce housing.

ETC F***ING ETC. F***!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesus christ. Here&#8217;s my post:</p>
<p>John Fox is an a**hat. Here&#8217;s what&#8217;s great about SLU:</p>
<p>Just TODAY Downtown Emergency Service Center broke ground on Canaday House for homeless folks at 424 Minor Ave.</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s NEXT F***ING DOOR to Low Income Housing Institute&#8217;s Bart Harvey low-income senior housing.</p>
<p>Which are ACROSS THE F***ING STREET from Housing Resources Group&#8217;s Casa Pacifica low-income workforce housing.</p>
<p>ETC F***ING ETC. F***!</p>
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		<title>By: Just a tip from an insider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just a tip from an insider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 23:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Test, why can&#039;t I post? Is there no swearing here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Test, why can&#8217;t I post? Is there no swearing here?</p>
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		<title>By: Just a tip from an insider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just a tip from an insider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 23:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Fox is an asshat. Here&#039;s what&#039;s great about SLU:

Just TODAY Downtown Emergency Service Center broke ground on Canaday House for homeless folks at 424 Minor Ave: http://www.desc.org/Canaday_Supportive_Housing.html

And it&#039;s NEXT FUCKING DOOR to Low Income Housing Institute&#039;s Bart Harvey low-income senior housing: http://www.lihi.org/__prop_BartHarvey0001.html

Which are ACROSS THE FUCKING STREET from Housing Resources Group&#039;s Casa Pacifica low-income workforce housing:
http://www.hrg.org/Search/apt_details_b.aspx?PropertyID=CPLPCAP

ETC FUCKING ETC. Fuck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Fox is an asshat. Here&#8217;s what&#8217;s great about SLU:</p>
<p>Just TODAY Downtown Emergency Service Center broke ground on Canaday House for homeless folks at 424 Minor Ave: <a href="http://www.desc.org/Canaday_Supportive_Housing.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.desc.org/Canaday_Supportive_Housing.html</a></p>
<p>And it&#8217;s NEXT FUCKING DOOR to Low Income Housing Institute&#8217;s Bart Harvey low-income senior housing: <a href="http://www.lihi.org/__prop_BartHarvey0001.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.lihi.org/__prop_BartHarvey0001.html</a></p>
<p>Which are ACROSS THE FUCKING STREET from Housing Resources Group&#8217;s Casa Pacifica low-income workforce housing:<br />
<a href="http://www.hrg.org/Search/apt_details_b.aspx?PropertyID=CPLPCAP" rel="nofollow">http://www.hrg.org/Search/apt_details_b.aspx?PropertyID=CPLPCAP</a></p>
<p>ETC FUCKING ETC. Fuck!</p>
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