Comments on: Sonic Oldies http://hugeasscity.com/2009/07/26/sonic-oldies/ > so much wonderful packaged in such a mess Fri, 18 May 2012 04:54:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: C200: Acknowledgements | citytank http://hugeasscity.com/2009/07/26/sonic-oldies/comment-page-1/#comment-531037 C200: Acknowledgements | citytank Thu, 07 Apr 2011 22:21:04 +0000 http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/?p=1333#comment-531037 [...] Alfredo De Vido, Christian Marclay, Sussan Deyhim, Glenn Branca, and Vincas Meilus. In Seattle Dan Bertolet, Joe Zajonc, David Rousseau, Norma Davidson, Kathryn True, Patty Borman, Chuck Pettis, Alan [...] [...] Alfredo De Vido, Christian Marclay, Sussan Deyhim, Glenn Branca, and Vincas Meilus. In Seattle Dan Bertolet, Joe Zajonc, David Rousseau, Norma Davidson, Kathryn True, Patty Borman, Chuck Pettis, Alan [...]

]]> By: John of Humdinger http://hugeasscity.com/2009/07/26/sonic-oldies/comment-page-1/#comment-4053 John of Humdinger Wed, 29 Jul 2009 00:05:49 +0000 http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/?p=1333#comment-4053 "And for the record, there are plenty of reasons to support Dow Constantine for King County Executive." Fer sure. He signed on the dotted line to support Partial Birth Abortion. “And for the record, there are plenty of reasons to support Dow Constantine for King County Executive.”

Fer sure.
He signed on the dotted line
to support Partial Birth Abortion.

]]> By: Joshua http://hugeasscity.com/2009/07/26/sonic-oldies/comment-page-1/#comment-4055 Joshua Tue, 28 Jul 2009 05:23:12 +0000 http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/?p=1333#comment-4055 The gauntlet has been thrown. I, too, would love to hear Max's ideas. The gauntlet has been thrown. I, too, would love to hear Max’s ideas.

]]> By: dan bertolet http://hugeasscity.com/2009/07/26/sonic-oldies/comment-page-1/#comment-4054 dan bertolet Tue, 28 Jul 2009 04:30:30 +0000 http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/?p=1333#comment-4054 Well Max, you've called me a lot of names, but whatev, it's an occupational hazard. Believe it or not, I am interested in your perspective, and similar to what Ellery @9 asked, I would love to know what you would propose to make the situation better in the CD. If you would like to write something explaining your views and your prescription for solving the problem of gentrification, I will give you access to hugeasscity to post it. I would only ask that you use your real name, unless there is some exceptional reason why you can't. hugeasscity@noisetank.com Well Max, you’ve called me a lot of names, but whatev, it’s an occupational hazard.

Believe it or not, I am interested in your perspective, and similar to what Ellery @9 asked, I would love to know what you would propose to make the situation better in the CD. If you would like to write something explaining your views and your prescription for solving the problem of gentrification, I will give you access to hugeasscity to post it. I would only ask that you use your real name, unless there is some exceptional reason why you can’t. hugeasscity@noisetank.com

]]> By: Andrew Smith http://hugeasscity.com/2009/07/26/sonic-oldies/comment-page-1/#comment-4056 Andrew Smith Mon, 27 Jul 2009 23:03:58 +0000 http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/?p=1333#comment-4056 Oh and Dan, the Capitol Hill block party is the best urban rock festival in the country, hands down. Brooklyn Rock is probably better in terms of line up, but no comparison in terms of atmosphere. Oh and Dan, the Capitol Hill block party is the best urban rock festival in the country, hands down. Brooklyn Rock is probably better in terms of line up, but no comparison in terms of atmosphere.

]]> By: Andrew Smith http://hugeasscity.com/2009/07/26/sonic-oldies/comment-page-1/#comment-4057 Andrew Smith Mon, 27 Jul 2009 23:02:20 +0000 http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/?p=1333#comment-4057 Max, I sort of (vaguely) understand your anger. When I grew up on Capitol Hill it was the Catholic ghetto, big houses full of big families. Now it's a very different place. But that's not the yuppies, gays and other's fault. I'm glad they showed up, too. I sold my house for a lot more because of them. So don't blame Dan like he's the cause of the changed neighbourhood. That crack smoking post was weird, certainly, but it was clearly a tongue-in-check attempt at humour. Lighten up. Just because you found this blog and found Dan's white and he lives in the CD doesn't mean you should turn it into your vent-against-white-people-in-the-CD forum. Max, I sort of (vaguely) understand your anger. When I grew up on Capitol Hill it was the Catholic ghetto, big houses full of big families. Now it’s a very different place. But that’s not the yuppies, gays and other’s fault. I’m glad they showed up, too. I sold my house for a lot more because of them.

So don’t blame Dan like he’s the cause of the changed neighbourhood. That crack smoking post was weird, certainly, but it was clearly a tongue-in-check attempt at humour. Lighten up.

Just because you found this blog and found Dan’s white and he lives in the CD doesn’t mean you should turn it into your vent-against-white-people-in-the-CD forum.

]]> By: Joshua Daniel Franklin http://hugeasscity.com/2009/07/26/sonic-oldies/comment-page-1/#comment-4059 Joshua Daniel Franklin Mon, 27 Jul 2009 21:37:56 +0000 http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/?p=1333#comment-4059 I don't have any answers on gentrification, but I suggest you all check out the book <a href="http://www.blackpast.org/?q=bibliography/forging-black-community-seattles-central-district-1870-through-civil-rights-era" rel="nofollow">The Forging of a Black Community: Seattle's Central District, from 1870 Through the Civil Rights Era</a> by Quintard Taylor. It has the most detail about the CD but tells a wider picture as well. I don’t have any answers on gentrification, but I suggest you all check out the book The Forging of a Black Community: Seattle’s Central District, from 1870 Through the Civil Rights Era by Quintard Taylor. It has the most detail about the CD but tells a wider picture as well.

]]> By: Max http://hugeasscity.com/2009/07/26/sonic-oldies/comment-page-1/#comment-4058 Max Mon, 27 Jul 2009 21:33:44 +0000 http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/?p=1333#comment-4058 I may be an angry person, but Dan Bertolet is prejudiced, and his blog reflects it. I may be an angry person, but Dan Bertolet is prejudiced, and his blog reflects it.

]]> By: dave http://hugeasscity.com/2009/07/26/sonic-oldies/comment-page-1/#comment-4060 dave Mon, 27 Jul 2009 21:09:16 +0000 http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/?p=1333#comment-4060 Ellery, give it up. Max is an angry person and that's too bad, but don't let it get you all bent out of shape. I too am white and live in the CD like Dan and I have some black neigbors who have lived in the neighborhood for a long time and who have been very inviting, and there are others who are not so inviting, and well that's just the way people are. I can't really blame people for being resentful about their neighborhood changing. It's not always pleasant, but I deal with it because I love the walkability and affordability of the neighborhood. Ellery, give it up. Max is an angry person and that’s too bad, but don’t let it get you all bent out of shape. I too am white and live in the CD like Dan and I have some black neigbors who have lived in the neighborhood for a long time and who have been very inviting, and there are others who are not so inviting, and well that’s just the way people are. I can’t really blame people for being resentful about their neighborhood changing. It’s not always pleasant, but I deal with it because I love the walkability and affordability of the neighborhood.

]]> By: Ellery http://hugeasscity.com/2009/07/26/sonic-oldies/comment-page-1/#comment-4061 Ellery Mon, 27 Jul 2009 20:41:14 +0000 http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/?p=1333#comment-4061 @8 Well, I disagree with your assessment of this blog's attitude on the gentrification issue, but I'll let Dan defend his own posts. And I respect your frustration. But what is the solution, really? It reminds me of all the HB1490 John Fox arguments that suggested that the only solution was to stop change in SE Seattle, prevent new development, and thereby prevent displacement. How to you stop change, exactly? Should we erect walls? Place socioeconomic or cultural criteria on the purchasing of property in certain neighborhoods to prevent gentrification? Or is there no solution, and we should just demonize those who dare to move into a neighborhood in which they did not grow up? I for one can't afford the neighborhood I grew up in (it has gentrified), so I sure hope you aren't saying we all have to stay put. So what is the solution then? @8 Well, I disagree with your assessment of this blog’s attitude on the gentrification issue, but I’ll let Dan defend his own posts. And I respect your frustration. But what is the solution, really? It reminds me of all the HB1490 John Fox arguments that suggested that the only solution was to stop change in SE Seattle, prevent new development, and thereby prevent displacement. How to you stop change, exactly? Should we erect walls? Place socioeconomic or cultural criteria on the purchasing of property in certain neighborhoods to prevent gentrification? Or is there no solution, and we should just demonize those who dare to move into a neighborhood in which they did not grow up? I for one can’t afford the neighborhood I grew up in (it has gentrified), so I sure hope you aren’t saying we all have to stay put.
So what is the solution then?

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