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		<title>By: Matt Annette Cohen</title>
		<link>http://hugeasscity.com/2009/12/03/what-just-happened-the-meaning-of-mcginns-win/comment-page-1/#comment-603819</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Annette Cohen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jun 2011 16:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi there. I am still really new in blogging and all aspects around this field. There are lots of terms I still can’t know. I’m not really sure I can write half decent to yours. I am gonna read the whole site maybe I can feel your writing style a little.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there. I am still really new in blogging and all aspects around this field. There are lots of terms I still can’t know. I’m not really sure I can write half decent to yours. I am gonna read the whole site maybe I can feel your writing style a little.</p>
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		<title>By: Melatonin Supplement Information ·</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melatonin Supplement Information ·</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Nov 2010 08:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>marketing jobs can really earn you lots of dollars but most of the time, it is a difficult job &quot;&quot;~</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>marketing jobs can really earn you lots of dollars but most of the time, it is a difficult job &#8220;&#8221;~</p>
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		<title>By: Star Patchett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Star Patchett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2010 22:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve noticed WP will put the newer post after the older post in a specific category. What if you wanted to rearrange this so that an older post was put in the beginning of a page or if you needed to put an older post in front of an older post?! I made the post &#039;sticky&#039; and it didn&#039;t make any difference. I guess because the post is part of a category and not a specific web page. Any ideas...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve noticed WP will put the newer post after the older post in a specific category. What if you wanted to rearrange this so that an older post was put in the beginning of a page or if you needed to put an older post in front of an older post?! I made the post &#8217;sticky&#8217; and it didn&#8217;t make any difference. I guess because the post is part of a category and not a specific web page. Any ideas&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kourtney Bratcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kourtney Bratcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2010 14:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Superb post! I totally consent along with you.</description>
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		<title>By: hypnotized</title>
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		<dc:creator>hypnotized</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 22:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exciting review. Were being does you bought every one of the marketing information from...</description>
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		<title>By: Mike Orr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Orr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 22:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More about Southcenter. The shorter ride was clearly one of the advantages of a north-south routing, so it&#039;s not disingenous of ST to emphasize it. Second, Southcenter fits more naturally into an east-west route. When this is built (from Burien to Renton or Bellevue), having Central Link detour to Southcenter will seem silly. The main line must go to the airport because it&#039;s the largest pedestrian destination in the northwest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More about Southcenter. The shorter ride was clearly one of the advantages of a north-south routing, so it&#8217;s not disingenous of ST to emphasize it. Second, Southcenter fits more naturally into an east-west route. When this is built (from Burien to Renton or Bellevue), having Central Link detour to Southcenter will seem silly. The main line must go to the airport because it&#8217;s the largest pedestrian destination in the northwest.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Orr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Orr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 22:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article. The conflicts between various development interests and &quot;establishment&quot; factions sounds plausable, but the part about Thruster vs Lesser positions on the tunnel sounds a bit far-fetched. 2009 is not 1970. People realize that &quot;no growth&quot; and &quot;no environmental improvements&quot; are not options, and are more willing to accept changes that they wouldn&#039;t have earlier. But at the same time many people make irrational demands for no changes in their own areas. This is not really a philosophy such as Lesser, but an inability to consider benefits beyond one&#039;s own pocketbook and view. The viaduct tunnel will have a range of impacts, and doesn&#039;t fit neatly into the 30-year-old categories of Thruster and Lesser.

Wells: these comments are way off. There wasn&#039;t some godfather ordering, &quot;Central Link will not go to Southcenter. Link will not have a ride free zone or 2-hour transfers. Let&#039;s build Hammering Man to snub labor.&quot; These were all individual compromises with their own set of influences. 

1) The Link route was due to opposition from the city of Tukwila from what I&#039;ve heard. 

2) ST asked the public a month before Link started whether to participate in the ride free area, the tradeoff being a 25c increase in all Link fares. Most people wisely said no because their daily commute fares would go up to subsidize a few people who already have alternatives for intra-downtown trips. It will make more sense when buses quit the DSTT. How does it cause a delay anyway, when Link does not have onboard fare collection?

3) Re no Link transfers, you can also ask Link fares are distance-based rather than flat. Portland MAX, NYC subway &amp; PATH, Chicago el, and SF Muni all charge a flat fare, which is usually the same as their buses. Only SF BART has distance-based fares, but it gives much more extensive service than Link.  This was decided by ST bean counters trying to maximize revenues with no regard to how the price of the trip compared to its value, the same as the new ORCA system&#039;s impacts, but c&#039;est la vie. There&#039;s no need to imagine an &quot;establishment&quot; conspiracy, just the blindness of bean counters.

4) Link will be the same or cheaper than Metro after Metro&#039;s fare increase January 1st.  Downtown-Beacon Hill: $1.75 (Link)/$2 (Metro off-peak)/$2.25 (Metro 1 zone). Downtown-Rainier Valley: $2 (Link)/$2 (Metro off-peak), $2.25 (Metro 1 zone). Downtown-Tukwila: $2.50 (Link)/$2 (Metro off-peak)/$2.75 (Metro 2 zone).

5) Link&#039;s ridership does seem to be whiter than the buses in Rainier Valley, but that&#039;s not ST&#039;s fault.

6) I have no idea what your UW comment means. Light rail must serve the largest pedestrian destination in the city, which is the UW by far.

7) The Hammering Man comment is just conjecture. It was intended to honor the working man. What irritates me is the imitations that have the man chugging a beer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article. The conflicts between various development interests and &#8220;establishment&#8221; factions sounds plausable, but the part about Thruster vs Lesser positions on the tunnel sounds a bit far-fetched. 2009 is not 1970. People realize that &#8220;no growth&#8221; and &#8220;no environmental improvements&#8221; are not options, and are more willing to accept changes that they wouldn&#8217;t have earlier. But at the same time many people make irrational demands for no changes in their own areas. This is not really a philosophy such as Lesser, but an inability to consider benefits beyond one&#8217;s own pocketbook and view. The viaduct tunnel will have a range of impacts, and doesn&#8217;t fit neatly into the 30-year-old categories of Thruster and Lesser.</p>
<p>Wells: these comments are way off. There wasn&#8217;t some godfather ordering, &#8220;Central Link will not go to Southcenter. Link will not have a ride free zone or 2-hour transfers. Let&#8217;s build Hammering Man to snub labor.&#8221; These were all individual compromises with their own set of influences. </p>
<p>1) The Link route was due to opposition from the city of Tukwila from what I&#8217;ve heard. </p>
<p>2) ST asked the public a month before Link started whether to participate in the ride free area, the tradeoff being a 25c increase in all Link fares. Most people wisely said no because their daily commute fares would go up to subsidize a few people who already have alternatives for intra-downtown trips. It will make more sense when buses quit the DSTT. How does it cause a delay anyway, when Link does not have onboard fare collection?</p>
<p>3) Re no Link transfers, you can also ask Link fares are distance-based rather than flat. Portland MAX, NYC subway &amp; PATH, Chicago el, and SF Muni all charge a flat fare, which is usually the same as their buses. Only SF BART has distance-based fares, but it gives much more extensive service than Link.  This was decided by ST bean counters trying to maximize revenues with no regard to how the price of the trip compared to its value, the same as the new ORCA system&#8217;s impacts, but c&#8217;est la vie. There&#8217;s no need to imagine an &#8220;establishment&#8221; conspiracy, just the blindness of bean counters.</p>
<p>4) Link will be the same or cheaper than Metro after Metro&#8217;s fare increase January 1st.  Downtown-Beacon Hill: $1.75 (Link)/$2 (Metro off-peak)/$2.25 (Metro 1 zone). Downtown-Rainier Valley: $2 (Link)/$2 (Metro off-peak), $2.25 (Metro 1 zone). Downtown-Tukwila: $2.50 (Link)/$2 (Metro off-peak)/$2.75 (Metro 2 zone).</p>
<p>5) Link&#8217;s ridership does seem to be whiter than the buses in Rainier Valley, but that&#8217;s not ST&#8217;s fault.</p>
<p>6) I have no idea what your UW comment means. Light rail must serve the largest pedestrian destination in the city, which is the UW by far.</p>
<p>7) The Hammering Man comment is just conjecture. It was intended to honor the working man. What irritates me is the imitations that have the man chugging a beer.</p>
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		<title>By: Wells</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 03:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some establishment entity pulled strings with Sound Transit&#039;s decision to bypass Southcenter, the largest commercial district along the route which would build significant ridership and direct TOD-type development. Sound Transit boasted that the bypass shaved a whopping &#039;3&#039; minutes off travel time between Seatac and downtown, where hoteliers and retailers would rather tourists did not find lodging elsewhere. Some establishment entity decided Link LRT should not be fareless in the downtown transit tunnel, even though this slows boarding time on free buses and risks delaying Link trains. Some establishment entity decided the Link fare should be 1-direction instead of a couple hours good in both directions which doubles fares from $2 to $4. 

These questionable decisions suggest Link ridership is being segregated, the establishment-approved tourists are to ride Link while the under-class are encouraged to ride buses. Link&#039;s next expansion is a multi-billion dollar tunnel to UW where the cost of an &#039;In Crowd&#039; certificate went up even further beyond the means of most of us. 

Seattle&#039;s establishment is alive and well and perfecting their frequently seen around town &#039;Seattle Snoot&#039; expression for fending off the underclass. Hammering Man is a blatant insult to Labor whom the upper class views as 2-dimensional, featureless flat black workers embroiled in endless, strenuous, monotonous toil in the midst of the leisure class, and who&#039;s artistic sentiment is no more refined than a whirlygig. Have a nice day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some establishment entity pulled strings with Sound Transit&#8217;s decision to bypass Southcenter, the largest commercial district along the route which would build significant ridership and direct TOD-type development. Sound Transit boasted that the bypass shaved a whopping &#8216;3&#8242; minutes off travel time between Seatac and downtown, where hoteliers and retailers would rather tourists did not find lodging elsewhere. Some establishment entity decided Link LRT should not be fareless in the downtown transit tunnel, even though this slows boarding time on free buses and risks delaying Link trains. Some establishment entity decided the Link fare should be 1-direction instead of a couple hours good in both directions which doubles fares from $2 to $4. </p>
<p>These questionable decisions suggest Link ridership is being segregated, the establishment-approved tourists are to ride Link while the under-class are encouraged to ride buses. Link&#8217;s next expansion is a multi-billion dollar tunnel to UW where the cost of an &#8216;In Crowd&#8217; certificate went up even further beyond the means of most of us. </p>
<p>Seattle&#8217;s establishment is alive and well and perfecting their frequently seen around town &#8216;Seattle Snoot&#8217; expression for fending off the underclass. Hammering Man is a blatant insult to Labor whom the upper class views as 2-dimensional, featureless flat black workers embroiled in endless, strenuous, monotonous toil in the midst of the leisure class, and who&#8217;s artistic sentiment is no more refined than a whirlygig. Have a nice day.</p>
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		<title>By: serial catowner</title>
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		<dc:creator>serial catowner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 23:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, thank heavens we can finally discard that &#039;Thruster v Lesser&#039; frame.  As near as I can see it&#039;s been dead for about 35 years.

But it was real once, and anybody who doesn&#039;t think so should bone up on the 50s and 60s and the careers of people like Wayne Larkins and Gordon Vickery in the 70s.  That was bare-knuckle sexism, racism, and urban corruption bundled into one.  Does Roanoke Reef ring any bells?

The &#039;Thrusters&#039; eventually became a succession of &#039;reform&#039; mayors who could afford to clean up urban politics because the City Council passed the rezones they needed for their other jobs as developers.  The real change agent as Mayor recently was Nickels, the first mayor in about 25 years who didn&#039;t also become a millionaire by developing properties.

It is interesting that McGinn is now being urged to keep Grace Cunigan, the head of Seattle Transportation Department that Nickles installed to do a little bare-knuckle housecleaning.  My personal feeling is that if McGinn chooses someone else, the agency will just eat them for lunch.

What I suspect will happen for much of Seattle is that advocates will generally face a Sisyphean task of bringing their groups demands to McGinn, and being told their input is of great value and they should go back and find out what their group wants to do.  That&#039;s what we&#039;ve seen so far.

As for whether there really is an &#039;establishment&#039;, just ask yourself this- How can a city with so many skyscrapers be short of tax revenue to fund schools and transit?

McGinn is, at this moment, among the luckiest of political surfers- as a huge wave of change looms to combat global warming, McGinn appears to be a green candidate, with almost no political past or experience to sully his image.  What he does with this lucky political capital will be interesting to see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, thank heavens we can finally discard that &#8216;Thruster v Lesser&#8217; frame.  As near as I can see it&#8217;s been dead for about 35 years.</p>
<p>But it was real once, and anybody who doesn&#8217;t think so should bone up on the 50s and 60s and the careers of people like Wayne Larkins and Gordon Vickery in the 70s.  That was bare-knuckle sexism, racism, and urban corruption bundled into one.  Does Roanoke Reef ring any bells?</p>
<p>The &#8216;Thrusters&#8217; eventually became a succession of &#8216;reform&#8217; mayors who could afford to clean up urban politics because the City Council passed the rezones they needed for their other jobs as developers.  The real change agent as Mayor recently was Nickels, the first mayor in about 25 years who didn&#8217;t also become a millionaire by developing properties.</p>
<p>It is interesting that McGinn is now being urged to keep Grace Cunigan, the head of Seattle Transportation Department that Nickles installed to do a little bare-knuckle housecleaning.  My personal feeling is that if McGinn chooses someone else, the agency will just eat them for lunch.</p>
<p>What I suspect will happen for much of Seattle is that advocates will generally face a Sisyphean task of bringing their groups demands to McGinn, and being told their input is of great value and they should go back and find out what their group wants to do.  That&#8217;s what we&#8217;ve seen so far.</p>
<p>As for whether there really is an &#8216;establishment&#8217;, just ask yourself this- How can a city with so many skyscrapers be short of tax revenue to fund schools and transit?</p>
<p>McGinn is, at this moment, among the luckiest of political surfers- as a huge wave of change looms to combat global warming, McGinn appears to be a green candidate, with almost no political past or experience to sully his image.  What he does with this lucky political capital will be interesting to see.</p>
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		<title>By: dan cortland</title>
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		<dc:creator>dan cortland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 07:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All reports that the Rainier Club serves lunch are now inoperative.</description>
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